Pernell Whitaker vs. Shane Mosley

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

who wins ?

Prime 4 Prime, wow not sure at all.

I think Sugar has only ever suffered when he was bossed, when physicality was a main factor and when techincally the other fighter was all wrong.

Pernell doesn't meet 50% of that Itinerary.

I do see Pernell posing a lot of problems though.... Actually, its funny cause im sure Oscar and Tito posed more problems that Shane possibly could.

I really don't know.

[zhubin]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

Please tell me your joking. Not trying to diss Evander...but he could only dream of having Ali's skills.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

Please tell me your joking. Not trying to diss Evander...but he could only dream of having Ali's skills.

Im just answering catagoricaly (Sp)

Why, do you disagree?

[sweet_scientist]

Half the ex champs Whitaker fought were chumps. Some of those guys you have up there are absolutely horrible

Layne, Rodriguez and Nazario weren't much chop, but then again, C. Hernandez, Manfredy, Baldomir and a shot to shit Mitchell aren't that great either.

and about Castillo vs. JCC I agree JCC would have won, but not by a landslide. Castillo would have given him alot of trouble.

Fight would have resembled Chavez's with Ramirez imo. Competitive, with Chavez winning most of the rounds.

Also Ramirez got his a** handed to him by both Camacho and JCC. I haven't seen the Arguello fight so I won't comment on that.

No shame in losing to either of those guys. Camacho was no joke in his prime.

Also how can you say Mayweather was rocked by Corley? He was hit, but he wasn't rocked at all... His legs didn't bend, and he didn't have shaky legs after that, but not only that he also came right back and hurt Corley. AFter that he didn't respect Corley's power at all so I say your wrong there. If a flush Judah cross can't hurt him then how can Corley's.

He wobbled and stumbled into the ropes. He recovered quickly and beat Corley up, but he did get wobbled there.

Also ODLH became a much better overall fighter as time progressed. At lightweight and 140 he didn't do much. At 147 is where he beat JCC the first and second time along with "Whitaker", Quartey, and Camacho, but he lost to MOsley. At 154 he learnt how to use his right hand and box which allowed him to beat Trinidad, and Mosley though he was robbed both times, but his second fight against Mosley and his fight against Trinidad IMO were his best fights in comparison to opposition level. He also faced Bernard Hopkins won of the top 5 best middleweights ever and was boxing even with him until the size differential weighed in, and against Sturm he didn't look prepared.

A few things to note. The first DLH-Chavez fight happened at 140, not 147. The Trinidad fight occurred at 147, not 154.

Also, how the hell was DLH robbed against Mosley the first time? He lost that fight clearly. 8-4 or 7-5 are the only options there, both for Mosley. The second fight, yes, DLH was robbed.

I won't deny DLH boxed well against Tito, Mosley and X, but he also had the ability to box at the lower weights, its just that he was naturally bigger there and tried to (and did) blow the smaller guys out. Check out his performance against Miguel Angel Gonzales. DLH never looked better imo than he did that night. He also boxed well against Hernandez, and Chavez.

How can you see clumsy footed Tito beats Mayweather.

Simple, because he is huge compared to Mayweather and hits harder than anyone Floyd has ever faced. He also has more skill and will to win than the likes of Corrales, who you might compare Tito to. If Floyd ran from the likes of Castillo and Baldomir Tito will run Floyd out of the stadium. The later rounds will be hard for Floyd to survive and if he stands and tries to trade he's a cooked duck.

I could see Chavez giving you a good arguement considering how Castillo preformed against a Mayweather with broken ribs, and torn shoulder, and his like second fight at the weight, but JCC wouldn't beat Mayweather on his best night unless Mayweather had his worst.

Didn't Castillo give him the broken ribs?

The second fight was still close imo. 8-4 or so. There's no reason why Chavez couldn't improve on that performance. He has much better timing, speed and body punching ability than Castillo.

DLH would never stand up to Mayweather at any point of his career and neither would Nelson you mention guys barely on the top 100 list while MAyweather should be in the top 10.

Based on what? Floyd, to repeat, has yet to even face a great fighter, and you have him locked down as a top 10 all time? Good God.....

Chavez is a lock for top 30 all time, Nelson top 50, and DLH top 75. These guys aren't chumps we're talking about here.

I am not saying Mayweather is much better than Pernell Whitaker, but he is better, and because he is more focused it would make the fight even more one sided.

Well, agree to disagree here.

[zhubin]

Half the ex champs Whitaker fought were chumps. Some of those guys you have up there are absolutely horrible

Layne, Rodriguez and Nazario weren't much chop, but then again, C. Hernandez, Manfredy, Baldomir and a shot to S*** Mitchell aren't that great either.

and about Castillo vs. JCC I agree JCC would have won, but not by a landslide. Castillo would have given him alot of trouble.

Fight would have resembled Chavez's with Ramirez imo. Competitive, with Chavez winning most of the rounds.

Also Ramirez got his a** handed to him by both Camacho and JCC. I haven't seen the Arguello fight so I won't comment on that.

No shame in losing to either of those guys. Camacho was no joke in his prime.

Also how can you say Mayweather was rocked by Corley? He was hit, but he wasn't rocked at all... His legs didn't bend, and he didn't have shaky legs after that, but not only that he also came right back and hurt Corley. AFter that he didn't respect Corley's power at all so I say your wrong there. If a flush Judah cross can't hurt him then how can Corley's.

He wobbled and stumbled into the ropes. He recovered quickly and beat Corley up, but he did get wobbled there.

Also ODLH became a much better overall fighter as time progressed. At lightweight and 140 he didn't do much. At 147 is where he beat JCC the first and second time along with "Whitaker", Quartey, and Camacho, but he lost to MOsley. At 154 he learnt how to use his right hand and box which allowed him to beat Trinidad, and Mosley though he was robbed both times, but his second fight against Mosley and his fight against Trinidad IMO were his best fights in comparison to opposition level. He also faced Bernard Hopkins won of the top 5 best middleweights ever and was boxing even with him until the size differential weighed in, and against Sturm he didn't look prepared.

A few things to note. The first DLH-Chavez fight happened at 140, not 147. The Trinidad fight occurred at 147, not 154.

Also, how the hell was DLH robbed against Mosley the first time? He lost that fight clearly. 8-4 or 7-5 are the only options there, both for Mosley. The second fight, yes, DLH was robbed.

I won't deny DLH boxed well against Tito, Mosley and X, but he also had the ability to box at the lower weights, its just that he was naturally bigger there and tried to (and did) blow the smaller guys out. Check out his performance against Miguel Angel Gonzales. DLH never looked better imo than he did that night. He also boxed well against Hernandez, and Chavez.

How can you see clumsy footed Tito beats Mayweather.

Simple, because he is huge compared to Mayweather and hits harder than anyone Floyd has ever faced. He also has more skill and will to win than the likes of Corrales, who you might compare Tito to. If Floyd ran from the likes of Castillo and Baldomir Tito will run Floyd out of the stadium. The later rounds will be hard for Floyd to survive and if he stands and tries to trade he's a cooked duck.

I could see Chavez giving you a good arguement considering how Castillo preformed against a Mayweather with broken ribs, and torn shoulder, and his like second fight at the weight, but JCC wouldn't beat Mayweather on his best night unless Mayweather had his worst.

Didn't Castillo give him the broken ribs?

The second fight was still close imo. 8-4 or so. There's no reason why Chavez couldn't improve on that performance. He has much better timing, speed and body punching ability than Castillo.

DLH would never stand up to Mayweather at any point of his career and neither would Nelson you mention guys barely on the top 100 list while MAyweather should be in the top 10.

Based on what? Floyd, to repeat, has yet to even face a great fighter, and you have him locked down as a top 10 all time? Good God.....

Chavez is a lock for top 30 all time, Nelson top 50, and DLH top 75. These guys aren't chumps we're talking about here.

I am not saying Mayweather is much better than Pernell Whitaker, but he is better, and because he is more focused it would make the fight even more one sided.

Well, agree to disagree here.

Well said.

[Scrap]

Theres one little thing that nobodys mentioned, it would be the deciding factor to me Shanes Jab.

[SweetPea]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

I'm not sure how many of Ali's old fight have compubox numbers available, but I seriously, seriously doubt that Evander Holyifeld threw more punches on average than Ali. There is no way.
I don't see any difference in power.
As far as punching technique, Ali had a far superior jab and also threw much better combinations. His style was unorthodox, so maybe that's what you're getting at, but Ali was a far more skilled offensive fighter than Holyfield.

[zhubin]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

I'm not sure how many of Ali's old fight have compubox numbers available, but I seriously, seriously doubt that Evander Holyifeld threw more punches on average than Ali. There is no way.
I don't see any difference in power.
As far as punching technique, Ali had a far superior jab and also threw much better combinations. His style was unorthodox, so maybe that's what you're getting at, but Ali was a far more skilled offensive fighter than Holyfield.

Exactly. Well said.

[The Boxer]

i don't give shit how big you think tito is. he would never beat PBF

[ICB]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

I'm not sure how many of Ali's old fight have compubox numbers available, but I seriously, seriously doubt that Evander Holyifeld threw more punches on average than Ali. There is no way.
I don't see any difference in power.
As far as punching technique, Ali had a far superior jab and also threw much better combinations. His style was unorthodox, so maybe that's what you're getting at, but Ali was a far more skilled offensive fighter than Holyfield.

holyfield did throw more punches than ali thats fact but as far as technique ali is much better but what you got to realize holyfield had most workrate ive ever seen ali is better no question no is saying he isnt but holyfield did throw more punches than ali

[SweetPea]

holyfield did throw more punches than ali thats fact

Do you have stats to back this up? Because I seriously doubt this is true. Holyfield was not as active a fighter as people make him out to be. He had plenty of big fights where he averaged in the 30s in terms of punches per round.

[Taeth]

Half the ex champs Whitaker fought were chumps. Some of those guys you have up there are absolutely horrible

Layne, Rodriguez and Nazario weren't much chop, but then again, C. Hernandez, Manfredy, Baldomir and a shot to S*** Mitchell aren't that great either.

and about Castillo vs. JCC I agree JCC would have won, but not by a landslide. Castillo would have given him alot of trouble.

Fight would have resembled Chavez's with Ramirez imo. Competitive, with Chavez winning most of the rounds.

Also Ramirez got his a** handed to him by both Camacho and JCC. I haven't seen the Arguello fight so I won't comment on that.

No shame in losing to either of those guys. Camacho was no joke in his prime.

Also how can you say Mayweather was rocked by Corley? He was hit, but he wasn't rocked at all... His legs didn't bend, and he didn't have shaky legs after that, but not only that he also came right back and hurt Corley. AFter that he didn't respect Corley's power at all so I say your wrong there. If a flush Judah cross can't hurt him then how can Corley's.

He wobbled and stumbled into the ropes. He recovered quickly and beat Corley up, but he did get wobbled there.

Also ODLH became a much better overall fighter as time progressed. At lightweight and 140 he didn't do much. At 147 is where he beat JCC the first and second time along with "Whitaker", Quartey, and Camacho, but he lost to MOsley. At 154 he learnt how to use his right hand and box which allowed him to beat Trinidad, and Mosley though he was robbed both times, but his second fight against Mosley and his fight against Trinidad IMO were his best fights in comparison to opposition level. He also faced Bernard Hopkins won of the top 5 best middleweights ever and was boxing even with him until the size differential weighed in, and against Sturm he didn't look prepared.

A few things to note. The first DLH-Chavez fight happened at 140, not 147. The Trinidad fight occurred at 147, not 154.

Also, how the hell was DLH robbed against Mosley the first time? He lost that fight clearly. 8-4 or 7-5 are the only options there, both for Mosley. The second fight, yes, DLH was robbed.

I won't deny DLH boxed well against Tito, Mosley and X, but he also had the ability to box at the lower weights, its just that he was naturally bigger there and tried to (and did) blow the smaller guys out. Check out his performance against Miguel Angel Gonzales. DLH never looked better imo than he did that night. He also boxed well against Hernandez, and Chavez.

How can you see clumsy footed Tito beats Mayweather.

Simple, because he is huge compared to Mayweather and hits harder than anyone Floyd has ever faced. He also has more skill and will to win than the likes of Corrales, who you might compare Tito to. If Floyd ran from the likes of Castillo and Baldomir Tito will run Floyd out of the stadium. The later rounds will be hard for Floyd to survive and if he stands and tries to trade he's a cooked duck.

I could see Chavez giving you a good arguement considering how Castillo preformed against a Mayweather with broken ribs, and torn shoulder, and his like second fight at the weight, but JCC wouldn't beat Mayweather on his best night unless Mayweather had his worst.

Didn't Castillo give him the broken ribs?

The second fight was still close imo. 8-4 or so. There's no reason why Chavez couldn't improve on that performance. He has much better timing, speed and body punching ability than Castillo.

DLH would never stand up to Mayweather at any point of his career and neither would Nelson you mention guys barely on the top 100 list while MAyweather should be in the top 10.

Based on what? Floyd, to repeat, has yet to even face a great fighter, and you have him locked down as a top 10 all time? Good God.....

Chavez is a lock for top 30 all time, Nelson top 50, and DLH top 75. These guys aren't chumps we're talking about here.

I am not saying Mayweather is much better than Pernell Whitaker, but he is better, and because he is more focused it would make the fight even more one sided.

Well, agree to disagree here.

First Mayweather had broken ribs during training before Castillo. Second Corley did not make Mayweather wobble on the ropes. He was against the ropes, but he didn't wobble at all. It stunned him a little much more because he wasn't expecting it than the punch hurting him. Also I think Baldomir is alot better htan some of those guys you mentioned, and that he would do well against quite a few of the fighters nowadays. You say Mayweather hasn't faced anyone? Corrales was/is more skilled than Tito, and he faster p4p. Him, Casamayor and Castillo would have all done well in any lightweight era. Also it doesn't matter how much bigger Tito is than Mayweather if he can't hit him. Tito is so bad against movers he wouldn't stand chance against boxer who had far better feet than either ODLH or B-Hop. It is always who you face to prove if your great. Joe Louis never fought anybody that was good, and he is considered one of the top p4p ever fighters. Robinson fought tough guys, but he never fought a guy even close to on his skill level. The only reason he had tough fights is because he was comming into middleweight fights at 147 otherwise he would have killed Lamotta, and when he fought Fullmer and Basillio he was way past his prime or else he along with Hagler, Jones, Hopkins would have destroyed them as well. Prime Mike Tyson is considered by many to be the best heavyweight ever, and he didn't have any real competition during his best. Same with Lennox Lewis because Holyfield was already old, and much too small for him. Roy Jones Jr. could have easily been considered top 10 p4p if he or the guys from Brittain at SMW would have been more willing to fight overseas. If Duran hadn't moved up with the exception of De Jesus he wouldn't have had the competition to be considered great, but luckily he did, and that's what Mayweather is doing as well right now. I've watched Nelson and I don't believe he is top 50 material. He is a great, but IMO he wasn't quite that good. I mean people have rated him over Hearns which is crap. So anyways I don't think you can really compare who the guys fought because most of the top p4p's ever except maybe the Leonard-Halger-Hearns-Duran, and the Ali-Frazier,Foreman era's were with one guy dominating everyone.

[Taeth]

lennox and holyfield ko's ali

Name one element of the sport of boxing where Evander Holyfield is superior to Ali.

Power, work rate, punching technique.

Please tell me your joking. Not trying to diss Evander...but he could only dream of having Ali's skills.

In certain ways. Ali wasn't exactly a technical masterpeice besides his footwork. Evander never got hit by the big hooks against Tyson that Ali took against Frazier.

[Taeth]

holyfield did throw more punches than ali thats fact

Do you have stats to back this up? Because I seriously doubt this is true. Holyfield was not as active a fighter as people make him out to be. He had plenty of big fights where he averaged in the 30s in terms of punches per round.

Evander had his moments where he threw alot liek against Foreman, but he never threw as many as Ali post-Exile. Watch Ali-Frazier I,II,III I believe the third one was only fight which had conqubox, and it had the record until Tua-Ibeabuchi beat it. Ali threw more than a 900 punches on more than one occasion against Frazier I am certain of it because in that last fight there were long periods where he wasn't able to punch back, and he was in worse shape than in the first fight, and definitely the second one.