Did you enjoy the Manny fight? I didnt,both fighters looked poor....

[ricsan]

dont think pac should go up to 135.....but i would love to see him fight juan diaz....the pace in that fight would be great..i give diaz the edge though....

[El Gamo]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

they can grow some balls first gamo, and if they are growing them from pacs performance last night then let them. Call it a bad night for pac but he still clearly won. pac didn't train as much as usual for this fight and it equaled to mabs wishes to brag about lasting 12 unlike eric.

jmm guzman soto and valero, could gain confidents now but once inside with pac I can only really see jmm lasting. No way would pac let anyone hurt him as what your trying to say cause he'll hurt them if they even try.

I like jmm to be the best beside pac and thats the fight that would really be a fight. I don't get how you would thing pac would get hurt by guzman ain't he like 35 now, pac will own him. valero is too green and prolly will never get any better, soto knock out pacs brother so your damn sure pac will come in wanting to murder him, that just leave jmm but the draw in the first fight could light a fire in pac so I can't really see pac coming into a fight undertrain again.

so who would you call the second best fighter of the world? base on that fight you'd think you can't call floyd best in the world with a s.d win over an even older oscar. come on now talk some real sense, your not bitter are you?

First of all,don't be calling me bitter when I've written on numerous times I much I like Manny. If you're going to post,don't post S***. Second of all,I'm not sure who the second best fighter is.I'll revise my opinion after all the big fights this year have finished.ANYONE,who knows ANYTHING about boxing knows that Floyd-Oscar was not an SD. No way. Mayweather won the last 4 rounds easily. I had 116-112.As did most. Mayweather is the best fighter in the world at the moment,as muchas it pains me to say that...

And I was just saying, going by that performance,going by the fact that Roach said Manny was looking better than ever and would electrify,it was a poor showing. A very poor showing. And going by this fight, I would think the guys I mentioned would want to fight Manny.

Guzman was calling out Manny at the press conference. He's also been working with Mayweather senior,working on his power. His defence could cause Manny problems. Especially if Manny is not going to be the monstor he has been before. As KKisser said, Roach is working on making Manny more technical but if he tried being technical with Guzman,he would lose.I have a feeling Manny and Roach are not on the same wavelength or certainly not as much as they used to be. Call it a gut instinct but the chemistry was not there. Roach looked lethargic in Manny's corner.

BTW,thanks for the SC Julius.

I agree and well said cos i know you rate manny but to be honest and i am a MAB fan big time if he was all that ad he had trained he sould have beat MAB´s A** and he did´nt he needs to get serious about this job or go run for president or something

Thanks man,glad to see others are reading my posts and paying attention.

I seldom have sad clicked in my time here but yours is well deserved,have one back. I would respond to your points but to be honest,they make no sense.

"My beloved Mayweather>" Read my posts again,you fucking deranged nuthugger,I've written time and time again that I like Manny more than Floyd.

"I should be proud MAB didn't get knocked out?" What the fuck are you talking about?

You're "glad the fight went the distance" Stop talking shit,you're making yourself look foolish.

Seriously,it's not even worth discussing these points with you,I'm not going to waste my time. I'll stick to discussing them with Pac fans that know their boxing like KKisser etc.

yo man I'm not even gonna go further with this with you, you've lost my respect after bitching about mabs last fight. yea yea yea you can talk shyt to me and curse at me but thats koo cause you got it good cause you've been here for a long time thats why your confident you can talk that way I know I can't cause all you got to do is give some talk to the boss and get me out cause I totally disagreed with your bitching.

I have no reason to tell Saddo. This isnt school. I'm confident to talk like that because I know I'm right. Nothing to do with how long I've been here,I'd speak like this if it was my first post. I'm not the first person to get annoyed at you nor the last. I respect everyones opinion so long as they make valid points,read what is written and answer. From your posts,it's clear you did not read anything I wrote.

I'm not here to argue over nothing. I just enjoy talking boxing.

[Kev]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

they can grow some balls first gamo, and if they are growing them from pacs performance last night then let them. Call it a bad night for pac but he still clearly won. pac didn't train as much as usual for this fight and it equaled to mabs wishes to brag about lasting 12 unlike eric.

jmm guzman soto and valero, could gain confidents now but once inside with pac I can only really see jmm lasting. No way would pac let anyone hurt him as what your trying to say cause he'll hurt them if they even try.

I like jmm to be the best beside pac and thats the fight that would really be a fight. I don't get how you would thing pac would get hurt by guzman ain't he like 35 now, pac will own him. valero is too green and prolly will never get any better, soto knock out pacs brother so your damn sure pac will come in wanting to murder him, that just leave jmm but the draw in the first fight could light a fire in pac so I can't really see pac coming into a fight undertrain again.

so who would you call the second best fighter of the world? base on that fight you'd think you can't call floyd best in the world with a s.d win over an even older oscar. come on now talk some real sense, your not bitter are you?

First of all,don't be calling me bitter when I've written on numerous times I much I like Manny. If you're going to post,don't post S***. Second of all,I'm not sure who the second best fighter is.I'll revise my opinion after all the big fights this year have finished.ANYONE,who knows ANYTHING about boxing knows that Floyd-Oscar was not an SD. No way. Mayweather won the last 4 rounds easily. I had 116-112.As did most. Mayweather is the best fighter in the world at the moment,as muchas it pains me to say that...

And I was just saying, going by that performance,going by the fact that Roach said Manny was looking better than ever and would electrify,it was a poor showing. A very poor showing. And going by this fight, I would think the guys I mentioned would want to fight Manny.

Guzman was calling out Manny at the press conference. He's also been working with Mayweather senior,working on his power. His defence could cause Manny problems. Especially if Manny is not going to be the monstor he has been before. As KKisser said, Roach is working on making Manny more technical but if he tried being technical with Guzman,he would lose.I have a feeling Manny and Roach are not on the same wavelength or certainly not as much as they used to be. Call it a gut instinct but the chemistry was not there. Roach looked lethargic in Manny's corner.

BTW,thanks for the SC Julius.

I agree and well said cos i know you rate manny but to be honest and i am a MAB fan big time if he was all that ad he had trained he sould have beat MAB´s A** and he did´nt he needs to get serious about this job or go run for president or something

Thanks man,glad to see others are reading my posts and paying attention.

I seldom have sad clicked in my time here but yours is well deserved,have one back. I would respond to your points but to be honest,they make no sense.

"My beloved Mayweather>" Read my posts again,you F****** deranged fan,I've written time and time again that I like Manny more than Floyd.

"I should be proud MAB didn't get knocked out?" What the F*** are you talking about?

You're "glad the fight went the distance" Stop talking S***,you're making yourself look foolish.

Seriously,it's not even worth discussing these points with you,I'm not going to waste my time. I'll stick to discussing them with Pac fans that know their boxing like KKisser etc.

yo man I'm not even gonna go further with this with you, you've lost my respect after bitching about mabs last fight. yea yea yea you can talk shyt to me and curse at me but thats koo cause you got it good cause you've been here for a long time thats why your confident you can talk that way I know I can't cause all you got to do is give some talk to the boss and get me out cause I totally disagreed with your bitching.

I have no reason to tell Saddo. This isnt school. I'm confident to talk like that because I know I'm right. Nothing to do with how long I've been here,I'd speak like this if it was my first post. I'm not the first person to get annoyed at you nor the last. I respect everyones opinion so long as they make valid points,read what is written and answer. From your posts,it's clear you did not read anything I wrote.

I'm not here to argue over nothing. I just enjoy talking boxing.

It's sad to see you and Rain arguing Gamo, what with you both being fellow faggots poetry lovers and all.

Maybe you could settle your differences by having a poetry face off or something, kind of like 8 Mile only much gayer

[ICB]

I just finished watching it i didn't think it was that bad of a fight it wasn't a war but it was a good tactical fight and i quite enjoyed it and Barrera was not dominated and it was very competitve through first 9 rounds.

[Kev]

I just finished watching it i didn't think it was that bad of a fight it wasn't a war but it was a good tactical fight and i quite enjoyed it and Barrera was not dominated and it was very competitve through first 9 rounds.

Have a coolclick strange new poster who appeared today in place of ICB and stole all his post count.

Wait until he comes back, he won't be happy to find his account stolen by an imposter :P

[ICB]

I just finished watching it i didn't think it was that bad of a fight it wasn't a war but it was a good tactical fight and i quite enjoyed it and Barrera was not dominated and it was very competitve through first 9 rounds.

Have a coolclick strange new poster who appeared today in place of ICB and stole all his post count.

Wait until he comes back, he won't be happy to find his account stolen by an imposter :P

back little hobbit

It feels weird changing my name i don't feel like ICB anymore

[Wacko3205]

Just sat through some Pac fights & noticed one thing...he either needs to get into boxing or get out.

This half assed shit of pulling acting, politicing, & what not is hampering him inside the ring. He drilled Barrera the first go 'round & couldv'e last night...but it was obvious even in the pre-fight interviews that he was giving with Merchant it was apparent that he had little to no drive for the fight.

It's kinda shocking. I just don't get it. Look at him two years ago & look at him now.

Huge difference in mind, body, & soul.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Manny is only one or two fights away from a huge loss!

[:::PSL:::]

Too much sour graping in this thread.


Pacquiao retires Barrera
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...-pacquiao2.htm

Battered Mexican hangs up gloves
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...ticle_id=93117

An Assassin’s Swan Song
http://philboxing.com/news/story-13096.html

Manny’s reputation intact, says analyst
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Sp...id=20071007127

Too fast, too furious
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?He...id=20071007110

They Came To Lose And Lose They Did
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2839

[El Gamo]

Just sat through some Pac fights & noticed one thing...he either needs to get into boxing or get out.

This half assed shit of pulling acting, politicing, & what not is hampering him inside the ring. He drilled Barrera the first go 'round & couldv'e last night...but it was obvious even in the pre-fight interviews that he was giving with Merchant it was apparent that he had little to no drive for the fight.

It's kinda shocking. I just don't get it. Look at him two years ago & look at him now.

Huge difference in mind, body, & soul.

Excellent posting man, you have a trained eye. Glad you're not falling for the half ass baked fight we were given... I noticed the difference too and totally agree. He needs to get in all the way or out all the way.

[El Gamo]

Too much sour graping in this thread.


Pacquiao retires Barrera
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...-pacquiao2.htm

Battered Mexican hangs up gloves
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...ticle_id=93117

An Assassin’s Swan Song
http://philboxing.com/news/story-13096.html

Manny’s reputation intact, says analyst
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Sp...id=20071007127

Too fast, too furious
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?He...id=20071007110

They Came To Lose And Lose They Did
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2839

Some excellent articles there

http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...-pacquiao2.htm : the bout, overall, did not live up to expectations. The explosive speed and power that enabled Pacquiao to dismantle Barrera four years ago in San Antonio, Texas, did not show itself though last night’s 12-round WBC International jr. lightweight title defense;

Sums it up perfectly.

[ICB]

Just sat through some Pac fights & noticed one thing...he either needs to get into boxing or get out.

This half assed S*** of pulling acting, politicing, & what not is hampering him inside the ring. He drilled Barrera the first go 'round & couldv'e last night...but it was obvious even in the pre-fight interviews that he was giving with Merchant it was apparent that he had little to no drive for the fight.

It's kinda shocking. I just don't get it. Look at him two years ago & look at him now.

Huge difference in mind, body, & soul.

This half assed S*** of pulling acting, politicing, & what not is hampering him inside the ring. He drilled Barrera the first go 'round & couldv'e last night...but it was obvious even in the pre-fight interviews that he was giving with Merchant it was apparent that he had little to no drive for the fight.

Barrera was fighting very good tactical fight alot different from the first fight he fought better fight stayed on outside and made it hard for Pacquiao.

[Kev]

I thought Manny did ok, he was never remotely in any trouble and was always in control of the fight. He fought well within himself but he doesn't need to turn every fight into a brawl or try and go life and death when he's winning a fight comfortably anyhow.

I guess to some he may not look like the hungry fighter of a couple years ago but that hungyr fighter also lost to Morales and should have lost to JM Marquez.

I think you have too strong expectations of Manny to be honest.

He caught both Barrera and Morales on the tail ends of their careers and took advantage.

He has limitations and has always had them. I think he'd struggle to be Marquez but then I thought that before this weekend as well. I also think he would have struggled to beat prime Barreras and Morales'.

But he keeps winning and that's all that counts really. If an off day is pitching a virtual shutout against Barrera according to the judges scorecards then I expect both he and Freddir Roach will be pretty pleased.

At least now the old guard of Morales and Berrera has passed and we can see him in with the real prime fighters Marquez, Guzman, Soto maybe Diaz and Katsidis.

[LEGION]

For myself, I was just expecting a war. I don't necessarily think MAB looked all that bad, just somewhat hesitant and really seemed to want to bang, but really wanted the win and stuck to his plan of trying to box Pac. Pac is the one that seemed off to me, not aggressive really, and seemed like both were trying to checkmate the other without either making a move Can't say it was horrible, just I was so hyped it was a letdown excitement wise. All the glory to MAB for his career, and it was a long one, was just wanting to see him go out{especially in his last fight} as the warrior he's always been. Pac just needs to snap himself awake and get back to form. A decent fight, but not the one I wanted to see.

[brucelee]

hello there. sorry I wasn't able to participate with your discussion. this discussion is not complete without the number one fan of pacquaio.hehehe.

Anyway, to be honest, I was a little bit disappointed with the way the fight ended. I was expecting a KO in the early rounds. Now, my theory had been proven. It went into the distance coz Pacquaio became contented with a UD and Barrera decided not to end his career with a humiliating KO. Watching the 12th round, it's apparent that both of them were becoming cautious and careful. They hardly traded punches during that round. and people were expecting them to go all out in that round.These are the reasons I was gravely frustrated with the fight. Most probably these are also some of the reasons why many are frustrated.