
Originally Posted by
wacko3205

Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them

....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
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