Just read that Team Mayweather has no interest in Cotto.

[ICB]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

[RozzySean]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat. It's like calling a kid a genius just because he can read one grade above level. We might know intuitively the kid is genius, but until he doesn't something special with the genius, it don't mean crap, and other than the Oscar fight, an maybe Judah, he hasn't done much special above 135. That list aint nothin special. Beating Hatton and Cotto at 147 will impress me, and I think he will do it.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

[El Kabong]

Woah woah woah...."pulling a Jermain Taylor"

Justify that quote please: Hopkins, Wright, and Pavlik were all legit middleweights and in Pavlik's case more of a legit super middle/light heavyweight

Bernard Hopkins fought MANY MANY MANY MANY more junior middles than Jermain ever thought of

So lay off of JT

Lighten up, Lyle. I'm not taking the thread in that direction. Just being a wise-ass, and since JT got his ass KO'd, we have every right to throw a jab in his direction from time to time.

No we don't because like a respectible champion he took on the toughest guy out there for him to fight....Floyd Mayweather Jr. has NEVER done that....well unless you count Jose Luis Castillo and I thought he won the first fight but oh well the whiney little bitche got his way and has run from stiff competition ever since.....I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd coaxed Acelino Freitas out of retirement to fight him at 147 OR if he fought Panchito Bojado at 154 or whatever Panch is weighing these days....and that my friend is sad....it's sad and it's pathetic for a person who demands such respect to have a record with 0 great names in their prime on his record when of course he had plenty opportunities.

[ICB]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat. It's like calling a kid a genius just because he can read one grade above level. We might know intuitively the kid is genius, but until he doesn't something special with the genius, it don't mean crap, and other than the Oscar fight, an maybe Judah, he hasn't done much special above 135. That list aint nothin special. Beating Hatton and Cotto at 147 will impress me, and I think he will do it.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

At that time they were legit threats thats a fact yes we can all look at this from hindsight and say different but at the time Gatti, Corley, were considered threats.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat.

Who cares what they would do ?? thats not what we are debating. We are debating if Gatti and Corley were good opponents at that time and yes they were and i love how you mention Tony as a name Mayweather has to beat when his best win is over Kermit Cintron.

Tszyu vs Mayweather was going to happen if Tszyu would of beat Hatton but he lost and Hatton is getting his shot at Mayweather pretty simple.

Im glad Mayweather didn't fight Cotto at Jr Welterweight because Cotto was weaker at Jr Welterweight plus he didn't have recognition he has now so when they do fight in 2008 it will be huge.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

Im not overcrediting him im saying Corley, Gatti, were legit threats and good opponents at that time and thats a fact im not saying they were the top im saying they were good opponents at that time.

And i have gave you the facts to why they were good opponents at the time i gave you the opposition they beat and what they achieved im not trying to change your mind you have your opinion i have mine but i think alot of people will be eating there words in 2008.

[RozzySean]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat. It's like calling a kid a genius just because he can read one grade above level. We might know intuitively the kid is genius, but until he doesn't something special with the genius, it don't mean crap, and other than the Oscar fight, an maybe Judah, he hasn't done much special above 135. That list aint nothin special. Beating Hatton and Cotto at 147 will impress me, and I think he will do it.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

At that time they were legit threats thats a fact yes we can all look at this from hindsight and say different but at the time Gatti, Corley, were considered threats.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat.

Who cares what they would do ?? thats not what we are debating. We are debating if Gatti and Corley were good opponents at that time and yes they were and i love how you mention Tony as a name Mayweather has to beat when his best win is over Kermit Cintron.

Tszyu vs Mayweather was going to happen if Tszyu would of beat Hatton but he lost and Hatton is getting his shot at Mayweather pretty simple.

Im glad Mayweather didn't fight Cotto at Jr Welterweight because Cotto was weaker at Jr Welterweight plus he didn't have recognition he has now so when they do fight in 2008 it will be huge.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

Im not overcrediting him im saying Corley, Gatti, were legit threats and good opponents at that time and thats a fact im not saying they were the top im saying they were good opponents at that time.

And i have gave you the facts to why they were good opponents at the time i gave you the opposition they beat and what they achieved im not trying to change your mind you have your opinion i have mine but i think alot of people will be eating there words in 2008.

And I completely disagree with your logic on why they are legit opponents. You state opinions as if they are facts, and I don't think you make a good case that Corley and Gatti were legit threats or strong opponents. We can agree to disagree on that, but from my end, your defense of those guys as legit opponents makes me think you heavily biased in favor of Mayweather. It only matters what other fighters would do to the same list if you are saying that Gatti, Corley, etc were real legit threats and not fighters that any TOP fighter would beat. Keep in mind, that for people to eat their words in 2008, PBF will need to make certain fights happen, and many people have reason to doubt his willingness to make fights with the best, most serious threats out there for him. If he signs and wins those fights, many people will eat there words.

Any I don't think Mayweather needs to beat Tony (though his win over Cintron is at least equal, in my eyes, to Mayweather's wins over Chop or Gatti), but Tony would probably beat all of the names you list as legit threats and serious fights. That's why I don't consider Chop and Gatti relevant fights, because so many other guys in that division would or have wiped out those guys and they neither has wins over top caliber opposition. Tony did beat Clottey, too. That's just as impressive as Cintron. And if Gatti beating 32-0 Branco matters, than Tony beating 22-0 Hercules Kyvelos and 22-1-1 Sebastian Lujan should mean something, and you shouldn't detract from 24-0 Cintron. Chop-Chops biggest wins came against Randall Bailey (who lost to Ishe Smith) and ?? Ener Julio maybe? This guy was a legit threat?

They weren't good opponents at that time. He should have fought Hatton then or fought Kostya instead of making two easy defenses at 135. After Castillo, he really had nothing left to prove at 135, and he could have easily made a fight with KT before Hatton had the chance. The other guys were steps to get a bogus 140 alphabet belt, to make him look dominant and help set up the big fights at WW. Admit it, I know you can do it. Just admit it was all business and all about getting the big ODLH payday. You'll feel better in the morning.

Now the real fun starts. 147 is stacked. The posibilities are wide open, and we'll see what happens.

[ICB]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat. It's like calling a kid a genius just because he can read one grade above level. We might know intuitively the kid is genius, but until he doesn't something special with the genius, it don't mean crap, and other than the Oscar fight, an maybe Judah, he hasn't done much special above 135. That list aint nothin special. Beating Hatton and Cotto at 147 will impress me, and I think he will do it.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

At that time they were legit threats thats a fact yes we can all look at this from hindsight and say different but at the time Gatti, Corley, were considered threats.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat.

Who cares what they would do ?? thats not what we are debating. We are debating if Gatti and Corley were good opponents at that time and yes they were and i love how you mention Tony as a name Mayweather has to beat when his best win is over Kermit Cintron.

Tszyu vs Mayweather was going to happen if Tszyu would of beat Hatton but he lost and Hatton is getting his shot at Mayweather pretty simple.

Im glad Mayweather didn't fight Cotto at Jr Welterweight because Cotto was weaker at Jr Welterweight plus he didn't have recognition he has now so when they do fight in 2008 it will be huge.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

Im not overcrediting him im saying Corley, Gatti, were legit threats and good opponents at that time and thats a fact im not saying they were the top im saying they were good opponents at that time.

And i have gave you the facts to why they were good opponents at the time i gave you the opposition they beat and what they achieved im not trying to change your mind you have your opinion i have mine but i think alot of people will be eating there words in 2008.

And I completely disagree with your logic on why they are legit opponents. You state opinions as if they are facts, and I don't think you make a good case that Corley and Gatti were legit threats or strong opponents. We can agree to disagree on that, but from my end, your defense of those guys as legit opponents makes me think you heavily biased in favor of Mayweather. It only matters what other fighters would do to the same list if you are saying that Gatti, Corley, etc were real legit threats and not fighters that any TOP fighter would beat. Keep in mind, that for people to eat their words in 2008, PBF will need to make certain fights happen, and many people have reason to doubt his willingness to make fights with the best, most serious threats out there for him. If he signs and wins those fights, many people will eat there words.

Any I don't think Mayweather needs to beat Tony (though his win over Cintron is at least equal, in my eyes, to Mayweather's wins over Chop or Gatti), but Tony would probably beat all of the names you list as legit threats and serious fights. That's why I don't consider Chop and Gatti relevant fights, because so many other guys in that division would or have wiped out those guys and they neither has wins over top caliber opposition. Tony did beat Clottey, too. That's just as impressive as Cintron. And if Gatti beating 32-0 Branco matters, than Tony beating 22-0 Hercules Kyvelos and 22-1-1 Sebastian Lujan should mean something, and you shouldn't detract from 24-0 Cintron. Chop-Chops biggest wins came against Randall Bailey (who lost to Ishe Smith) and ?? Ener Julio maybe? This guy was a legit threat?

They weren't good opponents at that time. He should have fought Hatton then or fought Kostya instead of making two easy defenses at 135. After Castillo, he really had nothing left to prove at 135, and he could have easily made a fight with KT before Hatton had the chance. The other guys were steps to get a bogus 140 alphabet belt, to make him look dominant and help set up the big fights at WW. Admit it, I know you can do it. Just admit it was all business and all about getting the big ODLH payday. You'll feel better in the morning.

Now the real fun starts. 147 is stacked. The posibilities are wide open, and we'll see what happens.

I'll reply to this tomorrow because im tired at the moment but cc for good debate.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

"Gamo snicker all you want and piggy back on all the Floyd hate, even though you disclaim everypost about Floyd saying your a fan of his BUT!!!! Floyd is a no doubt abouter 1st ballot Hall Of Fame lock. Cotto and Margarito aint there yet."


Calm down JT Rock. Stop getting so aggravated over nothing,drama queen I am a fan of his talents,I've said that on numerous occasions.However,I'm not a fan of his attitude and I think he could have a far far better resume.I don't see what Cotto and Margarito have to do with this(going off topic as per usual)

Dont call me drama queen. off topic it all has to do with your bias Jim

just turning 30 and have a far better resume geese man your unbelievable

[JT Rock]

"Gamo snicker all you want and piggy back on all the Floyd hate, even though you disclaim everypost about Floyd saying your a fan of his BUT!!!! Floyd is a no doubt abouter 1st ballot Hall Of Fame lock. Cotto and Margarito aint there yet."


Calm down JT Rock. Stop getting so aggravated over nothing,drama queen I am a fan of his talents,I've said that on numerous occasions.However,I'm not a fan of his attitude and I think he could have a far far better resume.I don't see what Cotto and Margarito have to do with this(going off topic as per usual)

Dont call me drama queen. off topic it all has to do with your bias Jim

just turning 30 and have a far better resume geese man your unbelievable

I'll PM you

[Mar]

Floyd hasn't even fought hatton and he's already being called a chicken for not fighting someone else down the line...hillarious.

[ICB]

If you want to tell me it was smart business to spend 2 years grab a meaningless belt and take a soft warmup at 147 to help set up bigger fights, I'll buy it and maybe even forgive the Pretty Boy, but please, I don't want to hear his fans buying into his company BS and parroting his propaganda. Take credit for the Oscar win. He deserves it. Even take credit for the Judah win...he deserves it. But don't try to tell me that Mitchell, Corley, Brussles and Gatti mean anything other than killing time and setting himself up for a bigger fights.

You give him credit for Judah win then you also should give him credit for Baldomir win considering Baldomir was legit Welterweight champion and also beat Judah.

Brussles was the only name on that list that wasn't really a good name the other names like Corley were legit threat Corley was coming off just losing SD to Zab Judah plus before Judah fight he was WBO Light Welterweight champion and made 2 defence's before losing to Judah in close SD so your telling me Corley wasn't a threat or a name ??

And Gatti was on a nice little winning streak beating Ward x2, beating 32-0 Gianluca Branco for vacant WBC Lightwelterweight title and also KO 22-0 Leonard Dorin. Plus KO Jesse James Leija in 5 rounds.

I think you need to do a bit of research on these opponents you slate so much.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat. It's like calling a kid a genius just because he can read one grade above level. We might know intuitively the kid is genius, but until he doesn't something special with the genius, it don't mean crap, and other than the Oscar fight, an maybe Judah, he hasn't done much special above 135. That list aint nothin special. Beating Hatton and Cotto at 147 will impress me, and I think he will do it.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

I did my research. None of that impresses me, not even a little, and the fact the Judah lost to Baldy works against Mayweather. Gatti beat Gianluca Branco and a totally shot Leija?? Please. All love and respect to Gatti, but the guy was a gatekeeper at best. Corley was legit threat? Listen to yourself, ICB. These guys are decent fighters, but there are several fighters out there right now who blow out any of those names, anytime. None of those victories were anything special at all. Don't point to inflacted records (Dorin, Branco) and shot fighters (Leija) to try and make Gatti more than he is. That's like trying to give Hatton credit for beating an undefeated Urango. Records don't mean crap if all you've fought is crap.

At that time they were legit threats thats a fact yes we can all look at this from hindsight and say different but at the time Gatti, Corley, were considered threats.

Ask yourself this, what would do/did Cotto and Hatton do to those four names (Gatti, Mitchell, Chop, and Brussels) Even add Judah and Baldy to the this list? Cotto beats them all, and probably Hatton, too. How about Tony? What would he do to those names? What about a Kostya? How does/did he fair against those names. They are fighters that great fighters are supposed to beat.

Who cares what they would do ?? thats not what we are debating. We are debating if Gatti and Corley were good opponents at that time and yes they were and i love how you mention Tony as a name Mayweather has to beat when his best win is over Kermit Cintron.

Tszyu vs Mayweather was going to happen if Tszyu would of beat Hatton but he lost and Hatton is getting his shot at Mayweather pretty simple.

Im glad Mayweather didn't fight Cotto at Jr Welterweight because Cotto was weaker at Jr Welterweight plus he didn't have recognition he has now so when they do fight in 2008 it will be huge.

Floyd's best work, I think, has yet to come, and it's a disservice to him overcredit him for beating fighters plenty of other guys could beat EASILY. Let him beat the TOP, then talk to me. You can't say Chop, Gatti, Mitchell, and Brussels were the top.

Im not overcrediting him im saying Corley, Gatti, were legit threats and good opponents at that time and thats a fact im not saying they were the top im saying they were good opponents at that time.

And i have gave you the facts to why they were good opponents at the time i gave you the opposition they beat and what they achieved im not trying to change your mind you have your opinion i have mine but i think alot of people will be eating there words in 2008.

And I completely disagree with your logic on why they are legit opponents. You state opinions as if they are facts, and I don't think you make a good case that Corley and Gatti were legit threats or strong opponents. We can agree to disagree on that, but from my end, your defense of those guys as legit opponents makes me think you heavily biased in favor of Mayweather. It only matters what other fighters would do to the same list if you are saying that Gatti, Corley, etc were real legit threats and not fighters that any TOP fighter would beat. Keep in mind, that for people to eat their words in 2008, PBF will need to make certain fights happen, and many people have reason to doubt his willingness to make fights with the best, most serious threats out there for him. If he signs and wins those fights, many people will eat there words.

Any I don't think Mayweather needs to beat Tony (though his win over Cintron is at least equal, in my eyes, to Mayweather's wins over Chop or Gatti), but Tony would probably beat all of the names you list as legit threats and serious fights. That's why I don't consider Chop and Gatti relevant fights, because so many other guys in that division would or have wiped out those guys and they neither has wins over top caliber opposition. Tony did beat Clottey, too. That's just as impressive as Cintron. And if Gatti beating 32-0 Branco matters, than Tony beating 22-0 Hercules Kyvelos and 22-1-1 Sebastian Lujan should mean something, and you shouldn't detract from 24-0 Cintron. Chop-Chops biggest wins came against Randall Bailey (who lost to Ishe Smith) and ?? Ener Julio maybe? This guy was a legit threat?

They weren't good opponents at that time. He should have fought Hatton then or fought Kostya instead of making two easy defenses at 135. After Castillo, he really had nothing left to prove at 135, and he could have easily made a fight with KT before Hatton had the chance. The other guys were steps to get a bogus 140 alphabet belt, to make him look dominant and help set up the big fights at WW. Admit it, I know you can do it. Just admit it was all business and all about getting the big ODLH payday. You'll feel better in the morning.

Now the real fun starts. 147 is stacked. The posibilities are wide open, and we'll see what happens.

And I completely disagree with your logic on why they are legit opponents. You state opinions as if they are facts,

I gave you the opponents they fought and what they achieved that is a fact not an opinion.

and I don't think you make a good case that Corley and Gatti were legit threats or strong opponents.

Well i gave you the facts to what they done in that time what else can i do ??

We can agree to disagree on that, but from my end, your defense of those guys as legit opponents makes me think you heavily biased in favor of Mayweather.

I didn't say you had to agree on anything im just stating my points to why they were good opposition at that time and im not biased i just gave you the info on Gatti and Corley.

It only matters what other fighters would do to the same list if you are saying that Gatti, Corley, etc were real legit threats and not fighters that any TOP fighter would beat.


Margarito wasn't a name then and Cotto was just starting to climb up through the ranks and he had been wobbled and hurt so many times at JR Welterweight. Like i said your basing this all on hindsight at that the time Corley and Gatti were legitmate threats.

. Keep in mind, that for people to eat their words in 2008, PBF will need to make certain fights happen, and many people have reason to doubt his willingness to make fights with the best, most serious threats out there for him. If he signs and wins those fights, many people will eat there words.

Mayweather has fought plenty of threats through his career he just fought Oscar De La Hoya at 154 keep in mind that was at a weight Mayweather had never fought at before.

Any I don't think Mayweather needs to beat Tony (though his win over Cintron is at least equal, in my eyes, to Mayweather's wins over Chop or Gatti),

Oh come off it Cintron was nothing more than an untested prospect at that time who had just won WBO title Cintron had beaten no one at that time his best win was against 22-5 Teddy Reid.

but Tony would probably beat all of the names you list as legit threats and serious fights. That's why I don't consider Chop and Gatti relevant fights,

Yes he would but again your looking at this from hindsight go back to 2005 Margarito wasn't really known name at that time no one was talking about him and no one considered him top fighter in Welterweight division he did hold WBO title for quite along time if i recall right. But his opposition was poor like Corley's his best win was against Cintron who was not highly regarded at that time and he still isn't now. To be honest i consider myself big boxing fan and in 2005 i hadn't really heard of Margarito at that time and thats not a lie.

Tony did beat Clottey, too. That's just as impressive as Cintron. And if Gatti beating 32-0 Branco matters, than Tony beating 22-0 Hercules Kyvelos and 22-1-1 Sebastian Lujan should mean something, and you shouldn't detract from 24-0 Cintron. Chop-Chops biggest wins came against Randall Bailey (who lost to Ishe Smith) and Huh?? Ener Julio maybe? This guy was a legit threat?

Tony beat Clottey at the end of 2006 if i recall we are talking about 2005 and 2004 are we not ?? Gatti had achieved tons more than Margarito had in 2005. Corley was WBO champion yes ok his opposition wasn't greatest but he only just lost SD to Judah and no one had ever dominated Corley and he was considered threat at that time.

They weren't good opponents at that time. He should have fought Hatton then or fought Kostya instead of making two easy defenses at 135. After Castillo, he really had nothing left to prove at 135,

I already answered this earlier Tszyu was going to fight Mayweather if he beat Hatton he lost and Hatton is getting his shot simple.

The other guys were steps to get a bogus 140 alphabet belt, to make him look dominant and help set up the big fights at WW. Admit it, I know you can do it. Just admit it was all business and all about getting the big ODLH payday. You'll feel better in the morning.

Admit what ?? they were legit threats at that time they wern't best opposition i have never tried to make out they were but they were still good opponents at that time.

[RozzySean]

CC back, but I still think you are confusing fact with opinion. In my OPINION, Gatti never once beat a single world class fighter. Never once. To you, maybe Ward or Branco were world class but that is far from a fact, and Gatti was past his prime when he fought Floyd. Fact - Corley's crowning moment was a close loss to a guy KT sparked. These guys are not real threats. Nobody considered those guys threats. I don't know one person who thought Gatti or Corley stood a snowballs chance in hell against Floyd.

You say that Floyd would have fought KT after Hatton, but why didn't he fight him BEFORE Hatton. Surely he had a better claim to challenge him as the undisputed LW king than Ricky did? Instead, he defended the LW belt against good, not great, fighters, then took the easy route though 140. It's so clear it's not even worth debating anymore.

Yes, Mayweather has fought plenty of threats and I give him credit for it - he fought plenty of threats at 135 and below, and he fought ODLH, a very legit threat. Hatton is a threat. For me to consider you a real threat, you need to have beaten a top fighter at some point. Oscar has beaten a few and Ricky beat KT. The other real threat out their is Cotto, because Cotto beat Mosley and KTFO Judah (something Floyd couldn't do).

ICB, I can understand where you are coming from....I get what you are saying, really...All I can say is that we have different ideas about what constitutes a real threat.

[ICB]

CC back, but I still think you are confusing fact with opinion. In my OPINION, Gatti never once beat a single world class fighter. Never once. To you, maybe Ward or Branco were world class but that is far from a fact, and Gatti was past his prime when he fought Floyd. Fact - Corley's crowning moment was a close loss to a guy KT sparked. These guys are not real threats. Nobody considered those guys threats. I don't know one person who thought Gatti or Corley stood a snowballs chance in hell against Floyd.

You say that Floyd would have fought KT after Hatton, but why didn't he fight him BEFORE Hatton. Surely he had a better claim to challenge him as the undisputed LW king than Ricky did? Instead, he defended the LW belt against good, not great, fighters, then took the easy route though 140. It's so clear it's not even worth debating anymore.

Yes, Mayweather has fought plenty of threats and I give him credit for it - he fought plenty of threats at 135 and below, and he fought ODLH, a very legit threat. Hatton is a threat. For me to consider you a real threat, you need to have beaten a top fighter at some point. Oscar has beaten a few and Ricky beat KT. The other real threat out their is Cotto, because Cotto beat Mosley and KTFO Judah (something Floyd couldn't do).

ICB, I can understand where you are coming from....I get what you are saying, really...All I can say is that we have different ideas about what constitutes a real threat.

ICB, I can understand where you are coming from....I get what you are saying, really...All I can say is that we have different ideas about what constitutes a real threat.

Ok fair enough i don't really want to keep going over this because i have debated this many times but cc to you SeanE your a good poster.

[Puya]

AAANNYwho!!!!!

Floyd said in the 24/7 series that his body is wearing out and is asking him to stop fighting. DAmmit that is a damn coincidence becasue if he wins with Hatton Cotto is next.



And please people don't believe everything you hear and see on TV

[JT Rock]

You say that Floyd would have fought KT after Hatton, but why didn't he fight him BEFORE Hatton. Surely he had a better claim to challenge him as the undisputed LW king than Ricky did? Instead, he defended the LW belt against good, not great, fighters, then took the easy route though 140.

Sean let me ask you a question. How do you fight a guy that was inactive for almost 2 years and had numerous surgeries in his hiatus from the sport? Just a curiosity question

[RozzySean]

You say that Floyd would have fought KT after Hatton, but why didn't he fight him BEFORE Hatton. Surely he had a better claim to challenge him as the undisputed LW king than Ricky did? Instead, he defended the LW belt against good, not great, fighters, then took the easy route though 140.

Sean let me ask you a question. How do you fight a guy that was inactive for almost 2 years and had numerous surgeries in his hiatus from the sport? Just a curiosity question

True, he was finshing old business with Castillo when KT was fighting Leija, but he could have had a crack at him in late 2004 (instead of Mitchell fighting KT and Floyd fighting Brussells). Also KT's fight with Hatton could just have easily been against Floyd. In May 2005 Hatton fought Kostya and Floyd fought Gatti. In both cases Floyd took the much easier road. I guess that's how to make a fight against a guy with numerous surgeries and coming of a hiatus from the sport