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[ICB]

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

[Tysonbruno]

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

Stop taking everything said to you serious.

[ICB]

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

Stop taking everything said to you serious.

Well im still waiting for these people that were implying my Duran comment was foolish

[Tam Seddon]

blooody hell i didnt expect this thread to get this much attention haha

[Mr140]

Ice you also got to realize that alot of those loses were later in his career and he was a very dominate Lightweight one of the best in most cases.

[ICB]

Ice you also got to realize that alot of those loses were later in his career and he was a very dominate Lightweight one of the best in most cases.

Im not trying to diss Duran i think he is a legend and one of the best Lightweights of all time. And i enjoy watching him fight, all i want to know is why people think he deserves top 5 in all time P4P rankings.

[BIG H]

Like I've told you before if you look at his career on a piece of paper you may not have him ranked so high. Oops sorry you have watched some footage 30 years after the end of his prime my mistake.

ICE look at just about every boxing expert or respected poll in the world (people that know a helluva lot more than you) and see where Duran is ranked

[ICB]

Like I've told you before if you look at his career on a piece of paper you may not have him ranked so high. Oops sorry you have watched some footage 30 years after the end of his prime my mistake.

ICE look at just about every boxing expert or respected poll in the world (people that know a helluva lot more than you) and see where Duran is ranked

You didn't answer the question i want you to tell me why Duran deserves to be top 5. Not what other people think.

[CutMeMick]

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

Stop taking everything said to you serious.

Well im still waiting for these people that were implying my Duran comment was foolish

Sit tight....
You can wait all you want truth is I had a chat with someone here and realized I don't need to reply.
You've pretty muched did it all on your own. I don't even need to reply.
You actually listed his opponents and who he beat and lost to.
It's good you question things you'll learn a lot this way.
But something like that I just wont bother to much with it. If you feel Duran is rated to high then by all means. Your entitled to feel that way.
Also the thought of someone listing the Paz loses as a point to prove something against Duran would be like me listing the Spinks & Berbick loses to debate against Ali.
You should also include that Duran lost to Pat Lawlor (who the fuck is he), Camacho, 'Locomotora', Joppy and Gonzalez.
Now that would really help you out there with your debate.

[Violent Demise]

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

You have to look at what Duran accomplished overall. He was great when he started (Lightweight). Fell off for awhile (after the 2nd Leonard fight). And than came back when everybody counted him out (Barkley fight). Those different circumstances add to his greatness. You seem to be looking at Duran career through wins and losses. If that's the case than keep in mind that 2 of the fighters who are always ranked ahead of Duran (Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong) have more career losses than Duran

[BIG H]

Like I've told you before if you look at his career on a piece of paper you may not have him ranked so high. Oops sorry you have watched some footage 30 years after the end of his prime my mistake.

ICE look at just about every boxing expert or respected poll in the world (people that know a helluva lot more than you) and see where Duran is ranked

You didn't answer the question i want you to tell me why Duran deserves to be top 5. Not what other people think.

Because I have watched all the top fighters in history and in my opinion he is one of the absolute best I have ever seen

[ICB]

Good responses im eager to learn more so im going to quote all 3 of you, and continue you this good discussion.

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

Stop taking everything said to you serious.

Well im still waiting for these people that were implying my Duran comment was foolish

Sit tight....
You can wait all you want truth is I had a chat with someone here and realized I don't need to reply.
You've pretty muched did it all on your own. I don't even need to reply.
You actually listed his opponents and who he beat and lost to.
It's good you question things you'll learn a lot this way.
But something like that I just wont bother to much with it. If you feel Duran is rated to high then by all means. Your entitled to feel that way.
Also the thought of someone listing the Paz loses as a point to prove something against Duran would be like me listing the Spinks & Berbick loses to debate against Ali.
You should also include that Duran lost to Pat Lawlor (who the F*** is he), Camacho, 'Locomotora', Joppy and Gonzalez.
Now that would really help you out there with your debate.

It's good you question things you'll learn a lot this way.

Thats the reason i am asking i don't care what experts say or etc, because i can't ask them im only interested in knowledgeable posters here.

Also the thought of someone listing the Paz loses as a point to prove something against Duran would be like me listing the Spinks & Berbick loses to debate against Ali.
You should also include that Duran lost to Pat Lawlor (who the F*** is he), Camacho, 'Locomotora', Joppy and Gonzalez.
Now that would really help you out there with your debate.

Maybe i shouldn't of mentioned Paz thats my mistake, but i just want to get an insight on why people feel he is rated that high. I love watching Duran fight and he was apart of the best era ever in boxing history but i have never quite understood why he was rated top 5.

ICE in recent times I have seen threads from you saying:

a.) Ali was overrrated
b.) Duran is overrated
c.) Hearns v Hagler is overrated

What's next?

Funny really all these great fights and fighters and he thinks there all overrated yet he tells me he knows more about boxing than me.

Yes i do because i back up my comments

Here is the best opposition he fought.


Esteban De Jesus = won 2-1
Ken Buchanan
Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard = lost 2-1
Wilfred Benitez
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Robbie Sims
Vinny Pazienza Lost x2
Kirkland Laing
Pipino Cuevas

Now the ones i crossed out are the ones he lost too, now tell me if you think those wins are worthy of top 5 of all time ??

I also backed up my comments on them subjects BIG H mentioned

You have to look at what Duran accomplished overall. He was great when he started (Lightweight). Fell off for awhile (after the 2nd Leonard fight). And than came back when everybody counted him out (Barkley fight). Those different circumstances add to his greatness. You seem to be looking at Duran career through wins and losses. If that's the case than keep in mind that 2 of the fighters who are always ranked ahead of Duran (Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong) have more career losses than Duran

Good point VD and your spot on, maybe i was looking at it the wrong way. But thats why i have brought up this question to learn from knowledgeable posters. Beating Barkley was amazing achievement, he was 37 wasn't he ?? and he stood toe to toe with Barkley and took all those vicious body shots and still had more energy than Barkley at the end of the fight that was amazing, Barkley towered over Duran that was quite a performance from Duran.

Like I've told you before if you look at his career on a piece of paper you may not have him ranked so high. Oops sorry you have watched some footage 30 years after the end of his prime my mistake.

ICE look at just about every boxing expert or respected poll in the world (people that know a helluva lot more than you) and see where Duran is ranked

You didn't answer the question i want you to tell me why Duran deserves to be top 5. Not what other people think.

Because I have watched all the top fighters in history and in my opinion he is one of the absolute best I have ever seen

Fair enough i got no complaints i just like hearing all different opinions.