Margarito caught cheating?

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Everyones having a go at Margarito but name 1 fighter that could have done that to Tony apart from Shane

Floyd? no . Pac no. Hatton no

Shanes the only guy in the world capable of doing that.

I agree. Didn't think for one second Shane could hurt Marg, but he did over and over. Puerto Rican fans have short memories if they start trashingMarg over wraps, one word - Tito.

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Hate to imagine what Floyd would have done to him.

won a decision in a fight people would bash him for for not standing and trading enough like they always do?

Exactly . As good as Floyd is, no way would he have stood his ground then force Tony back like Shane did.

As I say, nobody could have done what Shane did and thats why hes the number 1 welterweight . . . AGAIN !!

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I am really disappointed in Danny for his dramatic reactionary posts which have no substance. The same with JeffLacy (who is the same person).

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I just watched the final round of his fight with Cotto again and I saw him at the end carried by his corner raising his hands minus the gloves and I think it looks pretty normal. I don't think it would do more damage than what he inflicted on Cotto unless it was as bulgy as the one on the picture you posted. Before we conclude on the controversy and judge Tony we should also think that this wouldn't been an issue if he had won against Mosley. Marg didn't lose tonight because he didnt have those 'illegal wraps' but because Shane put on a magnificent performance. I don't think adding some plaster of paris to handwraps would increase the accuracy of your punches. Against Cotto, Tony was very efficient. Tonight he was totally out of his style because of Mosley's perfect gameplan.

Bottomline..Don't judge him. It is awful. The attempt to cheat tonight was awful. But what we saw tonight happened not because he got caught. It's because Shane Mosley is the man.

I did lose a ton of respect for Antonio Margarito TONIGHT. only the Margarito who fought TONIGHT.

I do agree with most of your post. This should be about Mosely's performance, as what a performance it was. He was in a zone and on his game in a way much like I saw only in my recent memory in Bhop in Bhop/Pavlik. Completely focused, firing on all cylinders and utilizing all the tools and skill that come with a long successful career.

So much kudos to Sugar Shane.

I also agree that we must first get the facts in before we start throwing stones and questioning fights prior. So let us do that.

Where I don't agree, is in suggesting that if proven, we cannot take Margarito's previous performances and look at them with a suspicious eye. Integrity is integrity. There is a reason when a cop or a prosecuting attorney is caught cheating the system to further their agenda to get a win that often previous cases are then relooked at.

The reason is that if a person is proven to have such a lack of ethics enough to cheat to further their agenda now, the chances are much higher they have had them in the past. Actions speak.

So don't blame fans of Cotto and other people Margarito has beaten for casting that suspicious eye, or even for making angered assumptions. If it is proven he cheated tonight...the person to blame for all the suspicion is Antonio Margarito, the person who wraps his hands and anyone else who may have known.

And no, if it is proven, he shouldn't in my opinion lose those past fights, unless some revelation comes out telling, proving of how he cheated then also. But he should, again, if proven...have to suffer considerable consequences for it. Monetary? I think so. A suspension? I think so. A tarnish on his legacy? Most definately.

This sport cannot afford cheating. Not in this climate where it already struggles and is competing for fans. Not from promotors. Not from judges. And most certainly...not from it's athletes.

Got your point. If I were a fan of any fighter that Margarito has beaten in the past I might as well be like a mad dog right now. But being a big fan of Antonio Margarito and knowing him as a true gentleman on and off the ring I would be defensive on these brutal accusations that tend to blemish his previous accomplishments. It's just not right. He didn't beat his opponents before because he had very hard fists. It's because he had a very hard chin. I don't think those plasters gave him great stamina and endurance. I don't think he walked through Cotto's punches because of it. And I don't think those plasters affect his punching power that much. the bare knuckles, the human bone isn't that 'soft' compared to this material that is used to make casts. It won't make his punches like 10x harder. and no matter how much wraps and plasters are on his knuckles the gloves won't be thinner and would remain the same. feelin me?

And since everyone is making assumptions on this issue.. let me tell you mine. My own biased view..

As far as I knew.. one of this handwraps' main purpose is to increase the power of the punches. Yes.. a better grip and more compact fists hits harder. So aside from protection. These handwraps are built to implict more damage on opponents. There are various ways of handwrapping. It depends on where the boxer is more comfortable.. and of course the trainer's style. In the Nevada rules, there is only a certain amount of length of wraps that is allowed for boxers.

As the fight goes on..surely these wraps tend to loosen up more. Margarito's team could have been using this plaster of paris to prevent the wraps to loosen up during the fight. Yes..around the fist. And not just on the knuckles. you don't punch using the back of your hand! Someone in here said it weighs almost a pound. On the area of the knuckles alone? that's ridiculous. and considering the fact that they have to change the handwrapping for 3 times...you call that intentional cheating?!? if they were guilty of something I don't think they would attempt to do the same thing again or worst for the 3rd time! if that was cheating... I am hoping that his team.. and much more Antonio Margarito..is unaware that they were doing something illegal.

The guy is never known for fighting dirty inside the ring. I don't think he is outside the ring. He's too classy and too gallant of a fighter to do such unforgiveable act.

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I think the post has substance. The negative cultural comments are not cool ( i personally would start another thread apologizing for that), but I can understand a fanatics concern about something like illegal hand wraps being used against other fighters.

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Sorry to be the voice of dissent - but can we wait for proof of what the stuff actually was before we completely assassinate somebody's character on here?

I mean, with all the officials and the opposing camp observing the wrapping, you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to try and get away with anything illegal.

Tony, to my knowledge, has never been anything but a perfect gentleman or sportsperson win, lose or draw.

Absolutely. And these ignorant "vigilante posters" should be admonished for jumping to conclusions.

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I think the post has substance. The negative cultural comments are not cool ( i personally would start another thread apologizing for that), but I can understand a fanatics concern about something like illegal hand wraps being used against other fighters.

Utterly pointless. The commission will review an accusation like this with the caution, which is the only way to proceed in an orderly way.

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IMO... I hope so.

If I were a fan of any fighter that Margarito has beaten in the past I might as well be like a mad dog right now. But being a big fan of Antonio Margarito and knowing him as a true gentleman on and off the ring I would be defensive on these brutal accusations that tend to blemish his previous accomplishments. It's just not right. He didn't beat his opponents before because he had very hard fists. It's because he had a very hard chin. I don't think those plasters gave him great stamina and endurance. I don't think he walked through Cotto's punches because of it. And I don't think those plasters affect his punching power that much. the bare knuckles, the human bone isn't that 'soft' compared to this material that is used to make casts. It won't make his punches like 10x harder. and no matter how much wraps and plasters are on his knuckles the gloves won't be thinner and would remain the same. feelin me?

And since everyone is making assumptions on this issue.. let me tell you mine. My own biased view..

As far as I knew.. one of this handwraps' main purpose is to increase the power of the punches. Yes.. a better grip and more compact fists hits harder. So aside from protection. These handwraps are built to implict more damage on opponents. There are various ways of handwrapping. It depends on where the boxer is more comfortable.. and of course the trainer's style. In the Nevada rules, there is only a certain amount of length of wraps that is allowed for boxers.

As the fight goes on..surely these wraps tend to loosen up more. Margarito's team could have been using this plaster of paris to prevent the wraps to loosen up during the fight. Yes..around the fist. And not just on the knuckles. you don't punch using the back of your hand! Someone in here said it weighs almost a pound. On the area of the knuckles alone? that's ridiculous. and considering the fact that they have to change the handwrapping for 3 times...you call that intentional cheating?!? if they were guilty of something I don't think they would attempt to do the same thing again or worst for the 3rd time! if that was cheating... I am hoping that his team.. and much more Antonio Margarito..is unaware that they were doing something illegal.

The guy is never known for fighting dirty inside the ring. I don't think he is outside the ring. He's too classy and too gallant of a fighter to do such unforgiveable act.

[belakbox]

True. I'm giving Margarito full credit for all his accomplishments unless he's somehow proven guilty. I don't think anything will come of it and the fights will move on. But I can understand fans being upset at the accusation and the findings in the article that was posted. The corners will need to keep a watchful eye on their opponents in the future and show up prepared. Boxing has always been a shady sport.

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[belakbox]

I'll wait and see what the official outcome is, but I too think it would be extremely odd for margarito to be cheating, being that he always extremely professional in and outside of the ring. We shall see. I think the whole issue will just go away and the fights will keep coming. The corners will just need to be more watchful in the future.

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Danny I would flush your ass if I could. I find your threads to be similar to royal's, albeit more graphic.

Here is what we know:

Lampley kept saying the same shit over and over and over about his hand wraps. No evidence. I find if funny that HBO boxing (which seems to think it is necessary to inject drama into everything) didn't show this "cast." Because nobody had cameras of any kind in the dressing room..... yeah right.
So what we have is Lampley (I guess beauty queens don't require hand wraps) unilaterally making accusations to an entire camp who doesn't speak english on broadcasted television. That my friends is a tragedy. Lampley is the true cheat.

Further, Margarito didn't fight with this alleged "cast." When something that was probably more mind games requiring Margarito to rewrap his hands 3 times puts a question mark over an entire career is really sad. It is sad to think boxing fans could be that naive or so fair-weather.

Finally, Mosely is no saint himself. Being the subject of a steroid invetigation, even if Margarito did use something illegal, it is not as if he was using it on someone who was above doing anything to get an edge on an opponent.

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True. I'm giving Margarito full credit for all his accomplishments unless he's somehow proven guilty. I don't think anything will come of it and the fights will move on. But I can understand fans being upset at the accusation and the findings in the article that was posted. The corners will need to keep a watchful eye on their opponents in the future and show up prepared. Boxing has always been a shady sport.

Fans are upset because they can not take a Cotto defeat. And when i say fans, I mean DAnny. He has 3 alts on here and is the only one winding up unnecessarily on here.

Cotto isn't the best welterweight out there. I can live with it. Some people can't.

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Wasn't Jack Dempsey accused of the same thing in 1 of his fights over 100 years ago.

No - there were always rumours that Dempsey used plaster of paris rather than talcum powder on his hands, the theory being that it hardened when his corner threw water on him in between rounds. This was never proven and it annoyed Dempsey so much that he insisted on using the other corner's talc quite a few times.

I think what you're referring to was his title fight against Jess Willard. At the time, people thought Dempsey would be killed, but he inflicted serious damage on Big Jess in the first round - he knocked him down about 7 times, fractured his eye socket, broke his jaw and ribs and cut him up. To his dying day, Willard said that Dempsey had a big coach bolt in his right hand and was hitting him with the bolt. He said that after the fight, one of his cornermen found the bolt in the ring

If you watch the fight, it is clear that Dempsey is sometimes hitting Willard with the side of his right hand.

The talc thing isn't plausible in this fight as he did all the damage in the first round, before any water was poured on him, and it wouldn't have had time to harden anyway

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From my experience there has to be a commisioner present while getting your hands wrapped. He has to mark diffent spots on the wraps with pen, basically signing off on them while watching closely the whole time, and then a final signature of apporval on each hand. Lets not jump to conclusions and slander the man based on what a Golden Boy staff member said, and wait for the official results.