Another kahn critic

[Kev]

heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

[feeney]

Come on bilbo barrera didnt need kahn at all he had his number 2 wbo rating kahn had nothing, its obviouse warren paid barrera a fortune to come over and barrera thought he had a good chance of winning, as kahn has a glass jaw barrera may have caught kahn later in the fight, you never know. You cant blame kahn for the way he has been portrayed, Its warrens doing. One thing that has always annoyed me about kahn though is he says things like he was a legend and i beat him up. and makes big deals about beating lower opposition, fair enought if he went in beat murray, thaxton, a natural lightweight who is a threat. Then he could show off. I remember reading somwhere kahn saying he could beat mayweather over three rounds! Hes a twat caught up in his own hype and even getting blasted out in 50 seconds hasnt stopped his ego mouth. People like you bilbo are also caught up in his hype. He will never imo be a great champion if he ever wins a world belt. Because of his chin, People are saying (ok he has a glass jaw but.....) But nothing name an all time great who had a glass jaw? look at the big picture.

[Kev]

Come on bilbo barrera didnt need kahn at all he had his number 2 wbo rating kahn had nothing, its obviouse warren paid barrera a fortune to come over and barrera thought he had a good chance of winning, as kahn has a glass jaw barrera may have caught kahn later in the fight, you never know. You cant blame kahn for the way he has been portrayed, Its warrens doing. One thing that has always annoyed me about kahn though is he says things like he was a legend and i beat him up. and makes big deals about beating lower opposition, fair enought if he went in beat murray, thaxton, a natural lightweight who is a threat. Then he could show off. I remember reading somwhere kahn saying he could beat mayweather over three rounds! Hes a twat caught up in his own hype and even getting blasted out in 50 seconds hasnt stopped his ego mouth. People like you bilbo are also caught up in his hype. He will never imo be a great champion if he ever wins a world belt. Because of his chin, People are saying (ok he has a glass jaw but.....) But nothing name an all time great who had a glass jaw? look at the big picture.

Where have I said he will be an all time great? I just get fed up people just wishing him to fail and claiming that he's 'just hype'.

He's hyped for sure, no doubt, but he's hyped because he's super talented.

Look at Yuriorkis Gamboa, several years older than Khan, gets knocked down in virtually every fight as well, hasn't yet stepped up in class, but is still regarded (and rightly so) as a super talented prospect and one to watch.

If gamboa gets floored and stopped by an unknown, the chances are that Gamboa will still be the star of the pair, and rightly so. Why? Because he has proven skills and is ultra exciting, the same as Khan.

Those who are saying Thaxton has done more are missing the point. Khan in the eyes of even the biggest hater is a far better techinical boxer than Thaxton. His style is far more exciting, he has far more potential, and a far more saleable image than the 35 Thaxton who he know is decent domestic level and nothing more.

That's why Khan gets more breaks than the likes of Thaxton.

People don't want to see Barrera fight Thaxton, or Juan Diaz fight Thaxton, they want to see Amir fight Thaxton, becuase he has so much more talent, potential etc.

As for him being mouthy he's certainly no worse than any other fighters and more respectful than most.

I imagine he gets sick of all the constant criticism he gets and so tends to speak out in frustration at times.

And he is asbolutely in his right to say he thinks he would have stopped Barrera, if the roles were reveresed and Barrera said even if they hadn't stopped Khan for the cut you can see from the fact I dominated every round that I was going to knock him out anyway would anyone be arguing? Who would be sticking up for Khan saying well he just couldn't see for the cut.

He's a talented guy who has hardened himself to the criticism around him. Being constantly told he has a glass jaw and will be exposed he needs to build a tought mindset.

His attitude is completely right imo. I hope he gets Katsidis or John Murray next (lets remember Murray has made his name largely through calling out Amir) and I hope and expect him to beat them both.

[feeney]

heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

Like i said a good promoter can take you a long way. Giving you hype, tv coverage, hand picked opponents who are smaller than you, giving you chances you really dont deserve, Making you look the bizz. Hes had one proper test and failed. And warren put his hands up and said it was his mistake. when he goes in against prescottt and beats him ill shut up. And surely prescott baeting the man who acheived all the things you listed makes him a hotter property, Im sure if you stuck half the people kahn fought and beat against prescott he would beat them 2. Kahn imo has done 1 good thing in his career won a silver medal. 2nd prize remember. Everything else he has won or done as a pro can be viewed as tarnished. Kahn can never be let off the leash he has no chin. Whats goign to happen when a big puncher wants his title if he gets one. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 hes out.

[Kev]

heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

Like i said a good promoter can take you a long way. Giving you hype, tv coverage, hand picked opponents who are smaller than you, giving you chances you really dont deserve, Making you look the bizz. Hes had one proper test and failed. And warren put his hands up and said it was his mistake. when he goes in against prescottt and beats him ill shut up. And surely prescott baeting the man who acheived all the things you listed makes him a hotter property, Im sure if you stuck half the people kahn fought and beat against prescott he would beat them 2. Kahn imo has done 1 good thing in his career won a silver medal. 2nd prize remember. Everything else he has won or done as a pro can be viewed as tarnished. Kahn can never be let off the leash he has no chin. Whats goign to happen when a big puncher wants his title if he gets one. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 hes out.

I just showed you Prescott's early career. He had FAR more handpicked opponents than Khan did.

Prescott beat Khan that's true but he's 3 and a half years older and has that win aside has not achieved anything like as much as Khan has by age 22.

And Prescott clearly isn't the hottest property any more as Amir has bounced back to beat a legend whilst Prescott laboured to a boring win by DQ over a journeyman.

Whether you like Khan or not nobody can deny that his fights are always exciting, the Gomez and Limond fights were wars, his beatdowns of Fagin and Earl were brutal, his total domination of a legend in Barrera shocking.

People want to watch him fight, whether they want to watch him win or not they still watch his fights.

And you keep going on about how protected he is but again nobody has answered the questioned yet as to name me all the other fighters of 22 years and younger who have much better records than he does.

Linares won a world title at about 22 I believe, of course he is fully expected to be great and to dominate his weight class in the future.

Who else? If he's so protected with such a padded record then surely any decent 22 year old prospect out there will have a much better record so just run a few names off for me.

The Peterson brothers are 24 and 25, Victor Ortiz is a mega prospect and a few months older than Khan, of course great things are expected of him, certainly no one criticises his padded record even though he has no hall of famers in his W column.

Gamboa is 27, so where are these other 22 year overlooked prospects with better records than Khan but who don't get the attention and fights that he gets?

[feeney]

Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
more than kahn. Lets leave it there.

[Gandalf]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

[Kev]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

[smashup]

Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
more than kahn. Lets leave it there.

Why is any of that Khans fault and it just proves how good and clever a promoter Warren is

Let's not forget that Amir was an Olympic silver medalist and had huge hype surrounding him from then on add to that he's a British born muslim who proudly wares the Union Jack on his shorts and the appeal is massive (esp in this day and age)
He sells tickets because he's exciting to watch and chinny with it.
Again is that Khans fault?
I interviewed Amir for Saddo's before he even turned pro and the place was mobbed and we had to wait ages just to get near him.
Can you say that about any of the fighters you have listed?

The facts are he dominated Barrera for every second of that fight and was way,way too much for him.
The cut happened by accident but history will always state that Amir won and dominated that fight and looked superb in doing so.

If Amirs chin was'nt suspect every single one of us would agree he is destined to win a world title but i think he will anyway and he really is a potent force now under Freddie Roach and i don't see how anyone cannot see that.

Khan won me over again on Saturday and peformed brilliantly so i'm back on side with him and Barrera had the option to bail out from rounds 2-4 when that cut was bleeding just the same as it was in the fifth.
More fool Barrera for trying to be the "Warrior" and car.ry on really...he knows the rules and should have bailed out inside 4 rounds or his corner should have forced him to
Bad move and his pride has cost him his future.

I've watched it 3 times now and Barrera just wasn't allowed to get his punches off and was being bullied by the bigger stronger and faster man.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

Listen to his talk after the fight. Read how a major section of media is kissing his ass and hardly mention the cut. I read one report where they even said the old cut had opened up. I don't believe they even watched the fight then you may get an idea of how annoyed people are.

He 'won' and acts like it was a good fair fight. It wasn't. He gets criticism because of his mouth & youth has nothing to do with it. And it's not the fact you're sticking up for him it's the way you're doing it. Being a mod has nothing to do with it either and you've played devils advocate many times before.

Bilbo put on an eyepatch and see how it affects your vision, now try moving round and boxing, better still I'll come and punch you in the head.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
more than kahn. Lets leave it there.

Why is any of that Khans fault and it just proves how good and clever a promoter Warren is

Let's not forget that Amir was an Olympic silver medalist and had huge hype surrounding him from then on add to that he's a British born muslim who proudly wares the Union Jack on his shorts and the appeal is massive (esp in this day and age)
He sells tickets because he's exciting to watch and chinny with it.
Again is that Khans fault?
I interviewed Amir for Saddo's before he even turned pro and the place was mobbed and we had to wait ages just to get near him.
Can you say that about any of the fighters you have listed?

The facts are he dominated Barrera for every second of that fight and was way,way too much for him.
The cut happened by accident but history will always state that Amir won and dominated that fight and looked superb in doing so.

If Amirs chin was'nt suspect every single one of us would agree he is destined to win a world title but i think he will anyway and he really is a potent force now under Freddie Roach and i don't see how anyone cannot see that.

Khan won me over again on Saturday and peformed brilliantly so i'm back on side with him and Barrera had the option to bail out from rounds 2-4 when that cut was bleeding just the same as it was in the fifth.
More fool Barrera for trying to be the "Warrior" and car.ry on really...he knows the rules and should have bailed out inside 4 rounds or his corner should have forced him to
Bad move and his pride has cost him his future.

I've watched it 3 times now and Barrera just wasn't allowed to get his punches off and was being bullied by the bigger stronger and faster man.

to which rules were they working? If the corner had retired their fighter would that have meant a loss anyway? Surely it's only if the dr/ref wave it off before the 5th does it count as NC.

As I said in another thread I believe they knew they had to continue and try for the KO before it got stopped.

I'm sick of saying it. We learnt nothing from a fight that lasted approximately 90seconds. It's BS.

[Gandalf]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

[JazMerkin]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

[Kev]

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute.

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

Listen to his talk after the fight. Read how a major section of media is kissing his ass and hardly mention the cut. I read one report where they even said the old cut had opened up. I don't believe they even watched the fight then you may get an idea of how annoyed people are.

He 'won' and acts like it was a good fair fight. It wasn't. He gets criticism because of his mouth & youth has nothing to do with it. And it's not the fact you're sticking up for him it's the way you're doing it. Being a mod has nothing to do with it either and you've played devils advocate many times before.

Bilbo put on an eyepatch and see how it affects your vision, now try moving round and boxing, better still I'll come and punch you in the head.

In what way am I doing it exactly? Have I been rude to anybody? Have I neg repped anybody and called them an asshole? Have I even started a single thread about Amir Khan?

I've just responded to all those who are saying he's rubbish, that he's a fraud, that his performance against Barrera was meaningless, that he'll get battered and rightly so when he steps up in class etc.

Please point out to me any of my posts that are less reasonable than Smash's directly above this?

As I see it your the one neg repping, talking about people being trolls, creating posts where you 'giggle' at the idea of Khan beating anyone who doesn't have more than one eye and who isn't fighting with a broken leg.

I think you're trolling if anyone, at least my debates with Miles and Feeney have been polite, no personal insults, no neg reps exchanged etc

[Gandalf]

I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days.

I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

Thanks for pointing that out. I will look into that. It seems the media have taken license in a lot of ways with this fight. They have misrepresented the fight and possibly even misrepresented Khan himself with his own statements.

In defense of Barrera though, if you cannot quite see what is happening then you will get pushed onto the ropes. I don't actually see any point at which Khan hurt Barrera with an actual punch. Even on the ropes only a few punches are actually landing. It is my perception that Barrera is telling the truth. But I would also imagine that the actual cut didn't feel too nice either.

Even if Khan didn't say the word brutal, it is still pretty rude for Khan to say he would have stopped Marco. Despite the odds, Barrera was still in there and he would not have given up. I find it hard to imagine Khan stopping Barrera, let alone brutally. But there you go.