So much for Mayweather-Marquez

[Killa From Manila]

Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight - Boxing News

Mayweather's team has been negotiating with GBP to make the fight. Floyd wants the fight to take place at the 147 limit. But JMM feels anything above 140 will put him at a huge disadvantage.

JMM's camp has no interest in fighting Valero, and they also told the media that JMM could end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 if they can't finalize a fight with Mayweather.

WTF?

He might end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 in near future?

[SigmaMu]

Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight - Boxing News

Mayweather's team has been negotiating with GBP to make the fight. Floyd wants the fight to take place at the 147 limit. But JMM feels anything above 140 will put him at a huge disadvantage.

JMM's camp has no interest in fighting Valero, and they also told the media that JMM could end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 if they can't finalize a fight with Mayweather.

WTF?

He might end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 in near future?

Floyd is such a punk.

[Violent Demise]

Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money

[Rocky Balboa]

Smart move by Marquez.

Yup, so now who is Floyd going to fight?

[JazMerkin]

Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money

Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up

[dee_z_r]

hopefully it will happen n be shown on british tv

[DatsiK]

It all comes down to how bad Marquez wants it.. I mean pac man did the same for the DLH fight, it shows he's committed to being the best. Mayweather is the one in the driving seat, if he wants to fight at 140 or 200 pounds it's all down to him.

Just my opinion.

[Kel]

Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money

Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up

There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.

[JazMerkin]

Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money

Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up

There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.

Yeah, of course Hatton had it all against him

The weight argument was bollocks and only came up after the fight to try and find some excuses for Ricky. He may not be a natural welterweight, but he was also not fighting a natural welterweight, if anything Hatton is a naturally bigger more muscled fighter than Mayweather.

Cortez wasn't great for Ricky, but he was a lot better than Parris was for Tszyu, although of course there was obviously the advantage in Floyd's favour that he is an infinitely more talented fighter than Hatton could ever be

[Spicoli]

Hopefully this does not come off.I dont think Marquez belongs any where near 140 and above.He s coming off a number of serious hard battles turning back the clock.Hes entering his twilight and has but a couple of great ones left in him.Floyd's been sitting on the shelf sulking,rested and well fed.I dont think Marquez needs him financially or physically.

[Taeth]

Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money

Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up

There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.

The size helps Hatton if anything PBF's footwork has slown down moving up 17 pounds way more than Ricky's has moving up 7. Look at Mayweather at 140, he was way faster than he was at 147, he would have killed Hatton IMO at 140.

[Killa From Manila]

Interesting read I found...







Houston Boxing Examiner: Early mega-fight preview: Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

In 2007, former number one pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (39-0) emerged victorious in two tough contests against Oscar de la Hoya (in May of that year) and Ricky Hatton (in December). In 2008, current number one pound-for-pound fighter Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2) easily dismantled de la Hoya (this past December) and is looking to do the same to Ricky Hatton on May 2nd. Two common opponents. Like "training sessions" with flight instructors "Viper" and "Jester" on their way to the real test - the fight of the decade - against each other. Undoubtedly, "Pretty Boy" vs. "Pacman" is the biggest possible fight in boxing (see Marketing boxing’s climax: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather I) which may easily generate $20 million for each fighter.

It is no secret that WBA, WBO, IBO, and Ring lightweight champ - and current number two pound-for-pound fighter - Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1) has been on Pacquiao's tail - flying around his "jetwash" (rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine considered extremely turbulent but of short duration). As Manny looks to defeat Mayweather's last opponent Ricky Hatton, Mayweather may get the opportunity to get rid of Marquez - and "blast" Dinamita away from Pacquiao's tail.

Because if Marquez loses against Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pretty Boy vs. Pacman will become that much more compelling of a fight over a contemplated Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. That is the essential risk that Marquez is taking. A Floyd victory over Marquez clears the way for an obstacle-free collision between former and current # 1.

Unretirement and Seeking a "Tune-Up" Bout
When I attended the February 28 post-fight media conference of Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas, Oscar de la Hoya - assuming his role as president of Golden Boy Promotions, and agent of Marquez - when asked by a reporter, said that he knew of "certain information" that lead him to believe that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. would soon return to the boxing ring. Around the first week of March, reports began to surface that Juan Manuel Marquez would indeed square off with Mayweather, Jr. - according to Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain in Esto.com.mx. A mega-fight that would tentatively be schedule for September 12, 2009.

Talks in Impasse
The talks between Floyd's camp and Golden Boy Promotions / Marquez's camp have apparently and recently bogged down, if not, downright appear over. (See Esto.com article link - and hopefully you're in the mood to brush up on your Spanish.) Floyd Mayweather, Jr. insists on fighting at the 147 lbs. welterweight limit, while the 135 lbs. champ Marquez is currently holding his ground to hold the bout at the 140 lbs. junior welterweight limit.
147 lb. vs. 140 lb.

• At 147 lbs., I would have to consider Mayweather (at least) a very strong 4-1 favorite over Marquez, who has never fought above the 135 lb. lightweight limit. Marquez may be a higher volume puncher than the lower quantity, but more effective, puncher Mayweather, however, the shots that do land on a bloated Marquez would probably have a much more significant effect.
• At 140 lbs., however, Mayweather vs. Marquez would indeed be a bona fide mega-fight. At this weight, we would have to consider Marquez as having a "solid chance" at defeating Mayweather, who would have to drain his body below an otherwise more normal weight of 147 - 154 lbs. Secondly, if the fight takes place in September, Floyd will have been away from boxing for close to two years. Floyd's ring rust would translate to an advantage for the presumably sharper Marquez.

What If?
The interesting question is, "What if Marquez does beat Mayweather at 140 lbs.? Does he then become the current # 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the sport?" In that case, it would be reasonable to foresee many, if not most, boxing observers to consider him as number one, relegating Manny Pacquiao to (perhaps temporary) number two status, despite holding a decision win over "Dinamita." Such a scenario would become a rare anomaly in boxing. Sports fans may hold a parallelism with college football's Texas Longhorns being left out of the bowl champsionship series (BCS), while the Oklahoma Sooners (a team the Longhorns beat during the regular season) went on to the championship game to face the Florida Gators.

Secondly, if Marquez beats Mayweather (say, at 140 lbs.), Pacquiao vs. Marquez III may become the genuine fight of the decade after all - with some boxing followers currently not even realizing it.

Additionally, if Marquez defeats Mayweather (again, let's say at 140 lbs.), might that victory possibly eliminate a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?
As mentioned previously, talks between Marquez's and Mayweather's camps appear "over."

It has taken "Dinamita" several years to emerge from the shadows of Mexican greats Marco Antonio Barrera (65-7) and Erik Morales (48-6) - fighters that Manny Pacquiao has defeated. Marquez won a tough decision win over Barrera in 2007, and it appears "El Terrible" Morales may be the opponent Marquez faces in September, as Morales - who is only 32 years old - has repeatedly stated his intentions of returning to the ring.
As Pacquiao attempts to dispose of Floyd's previous foes (de la Hoya, and now Ricky Hatton), such a bout would have Marquez attempting to dispose of Manny's old foes.

Small world.
A Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales fight seems a sellable bout. To be sure, Morales has been out of the ring since a decision loss to former Pacquiao opponent David Diaz in 2007.

In a previous article (Boxing's elite trifecta: Marquez vs. Pacquio vs. Mayweather), I pegged Morales as Juan Manuel Marquez's fifth most attractive matchup.

[fan johnny]

Interesting read I found...

Houston Boxing Examiner: Early mega-fight preview: Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

In 2007, former number one pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (39-0) emerged victorious in two tough contests against Oscar de la Hoya (in May of that year) and Ricky Hatton (in December). In 2008, current number one pound-for-pound fighter Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2) easily dismantled de la Hoya (this past December) and is looking to do the same to Ricky Hatton on May 2nd. Two common opponents. Like "training sessions" with flight instructors "Viper" and "Jester" on their way to the real test - the fight of the decade - against each other. Undoubtedly, "Pretty Boy" vs. "Pacman" is the biggest possible fight in boxing (see Marketing boxing’s climax: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather I) which may easily generate $20 million for each fighter.

It is no secret that WBA, WBO, IBO, and Ring lightweight champ - and current number two pound-for-pound fighter - Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1) has been on Pacquiao's tail - flying around his "jetwash" (rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine considered extremely turbulent but of short duration). As Manny looks to defeat Mayweather's last opponent Ricky Hatton, Mayweather may get the opportunity to get rid of Marquez - and "blast" Dinamita away from Pacquiao's tail.

Because if Marquez loses against Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pretty Boy vs. Pacman will become that much more compelling of a fight over a contemplated Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. That is the essential risk that Marquez is taking. A Floyd victory over Marquez clears the way for an obstacle-free collision between former and current # 1.

Unretirement and Seeking a "Tune-Up" Bout
When I attended the February 28 post-fight media conference of Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas, Oscar de la Hoya - assuming his role as president of Golden Boy Promotions, and agent of Marquez - when asked by a reporter, said that he knew of "certain information" that lead him to believe that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. would soon return to the boxing ring. Around the first week of March, reports began to surface that Juan Manuel Marquez would indeed square off with Mayweather, Jr. - according to Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain in Esto.com.mx. A mega-fight that would tentatively be schedule for September 12, 2009.

Talks in Impasse
The talks between Floyd's camp and Golden Boy Promotions / Marquez's camp have apparently and recently bogged down, if not, downright appear over. (See Esto.com article link - and hopefully you're in the mood to brush up on your Spanish.) Floyd Mayweather, Jr. insists on fighting at the 147 lbs. welterweight limit, while the 135 lbs. champ Marquez is currently holding his ground to hold the bout at the 140 lbs. junior welterweight limit.
147 lb. vs. 140 lb.

• At 147 lbs., I would have to consider Mayweather (at least) a very strong 4-1 favorite over Marquez, who has never fought above the 135 lb. lightweight limit. Marquez may be a higher volume puncher than the lower quantity, but more effective, puncher Mayweather, however, the shots that do land on a bloated Marquez would probably have a much more significant effect.
• At 140 lbs., however, Mayweather vs. Marquez would indeed be a bona fide mega-fight. At this weight, we would have to consider Marquez as having a "solid chance" at defeating Mayweather, who would have to drain his body below an otherwise more normal weight of 147 - 154 lbs. Secondly, if the fight takes place in September, Floyd will have been away from boxing for close to two years. Floyd's ring rust would translate to an advantage for the presumably sharper Marquez.

What If?
The interesting question is, "What if Marquez does beat Mayweather at 140 lbs.? Does he then become the current # 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the sport?" In that case, it would be reasonable to foresee many, if not most, boxing observers to consider him as number one, relegating Manny Pacquiao to (perhaps temporary) number two status, despite holding a decision win over "Dinamita." Such a scenario would become a rare anomaly in boxing. Sports fans may hold a parallelism with college football's Texas Longhorns being left out of the bowl champsionship series (BCS), while the Oklahoma Sooners (a team the Longhorns beat during the regular season) went on to the championship game to face the Florida Gators.

Secondly, if Marquez beats Mayweather (say, at 140 lbs.), Pacquiao vs. Marquez III may become the genuine fight of the decade after all - with some boxing followers currently not even realizing it.

Additionally, if Marquez defeats Mayweather (again, let's say at 140 lbs.), might that victory possibly eliminate a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?
As mentioned previously, talks between Marquez's and Mayweather's camps appear "over."

It has taken "Dinamita" several years to emerge from the shadows of Mexican greats Marco Antonio Barrera (65-7) and Erik Morales (48-6) - fighters that Manny Pacquiao has defeated. Marquez won a tough decision win over Barrera in 2007, and it appears "El Terrible" Morales may be the opponent Marquez faces in September, as Morales - who is only 32 years old - has repeatedly stated his intentions of returning to the ring.
As Pacquiao attempts to dispose of Floyd's previous foes (de la Hoya, and now Ricky Hatton), such a bout would have Marquez attempting to dispose of Manny's old foes.

Small world.
A Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales fight seems a sellable bout. To be sure, Morales has been out of the ring since a decision loss to former Pacquiao opponent David Diaz in 2007.

In a previous article (Boxing's elite trifecta: Marquez vs. Pacquio vs. Mayweather), I pegged Morales as Juan Manuel Marquez's fifth most attractive matchup.

I seem to reacall Marquez stating he'd go up to 147 to meet Pacquiao.

Esto.com article link (Translated to English using Google)

The manager Nacho Beristain came to the passage of information from Venezuela indicate that Edwin Valero will be the next opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, the world lightweight king AMB-OMB.

The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales. The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales.

Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others. Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others.

Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations.

Accordingly, the promoter Oscar de la Hoya has another option for the City fighter combat against "the Terrible" Morales, one of the greatest Tellers of boxing today. (Castellanos)

[Killa From Manila]

MAYWEATHER VS. MARQUEZ NEARLY SET FOR JULY 18?

Sources close to the situation have just informed us that it's looking more and more like retired pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. will make his return this summer against WBA & WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Mayweather was originally rumored to make his return on July 11, the same date as UFC 100, against an opponent yet to be named. Apparently, after much debate over the weight at which the fight would take place, both Mayweather and Marquez are now close to agreeing to face each other on July 18.

read more

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content4762.html

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

MAYWEATHER VS. MARQUEZ NEARLY SET FOR JULY 18?

Sources close to the situation have just informed us that it's looking more and more like retired pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. will make his return this summer against WBA & WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Mayweather was originally rumored to make his return on July 11, the same date as UFC 100, against an opponent yet to be named. Apparently, after much debate over the weight at which the fight would take place, both Mayweather and Marquez are now close to agreeing to face each other on July 18.

read more

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content4762.html

I hope Marquez is beign smart about the weight agreement.