Should Bin Laden have been taken alive?

[Kev]

Sure... and I'll just smile whilst beating my crotch with a meat tenderiser whilst I'm at it!

I think you're confusing my rants with Lyle's.

[Hornfinger]

Still admitting that you raise points whilst being ignorant to the facts behind them I see. Weak.

That's another thing Tin Foils do... anybody who doesn't agree with what they say is automatically branded as somebody who will believe anything they are told and not question it... not only is it a bit of an egotistical assumption to make, but it's also pretty ironic and very fucking funny.

Weak.

you automatically branded me a tin foil hat so if you can do that to me then you won't mind me doing it to you.

You haven't raised or addressed any points cuz you 'can't be bothered'.

[marbleheadmaui]

I have this hope that we DID take him alive and that everyhting else is a story so we can interrogate the bejeesus out of him without anyone knowing he's alive and so he knows his situation is forever hopeless.

Then when we've drained all the all the intel we think we can out of him? We trap him in some old building and burn it down around him.

[AdamGB]

Still admitting that you raise points whilst being ignorant to the facts behind them I see. Weak.

That's another thing Tin Foils do... anybody who doesn't agree with what they say is automatically branded as somebody who will believe anything they are told and not question it... not only is it a bit of an egotistical assumption to make, but it's also pretty ironic and very fucking funny.

Weak.

you automatically branded me a tin foil hat so if you can do that to me then you won't mind me doing it to you.

You haven't raised or addressed any points cuz you 'can't be bothered'.

of course I don't mind... what you say has little to no stock so why would I? We've been over this too many times. You raised a redundant point about the Arabic Language and lacked the knowledge to understand that the Arabic language uses a different Alphabet than we do.

This displays to me that you have no problem jumping to conclusions and forming opinions without being in position of enough facts to do so.

Despite disagreeing (and often!) with Miles and Bilbo... they do at least bring facts, thought and research to the table before they open their mouths... Whereas you have displayed that you don't mind neglecting to do so and the fact that you keep dancing around the issue instead of putting your hands up and saying "I was wrong about that, I didn't check my facts and it was a foolish, pointless thing to raise" shows that you are too pigeon minded to bother debating with.

So no, I don't want to debate your fascinating theories with you, because it will go nowhere, as I've said I just wanted to call you on your weak shit and see whether you'd defend it or be big enough to say "i was wrong, that was a stupid point".

But knowing you can't do either, you're just trying to dance around it instead. Weak

it's not actually a particularly big deal, the problem is that you keep trying to draw me into a debate away from it... Just looking for a simple answer from you:

Why did you even bring it up? What was your point even meant to be about the so called different spelling and why were you talking about the FBI 'misspelling' something in Arabic in the first place when you obviously had no knowledge of the differences between Arabic and English?

[p4pking]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

What I find absurd about that idea is that you mention the Carlyle group and Bin Ladens ties etc, and then fail to realize that George H and W BUSH are both members for crying out loud. If Osama had died in 2002, you don't think perhaps it would have been in the corporate interest, better timing to stage his death before the election in 2008? You're talking absolute nonsense in actuality. I'm referring strictly to the Bin Laden theory I should add though, you've got the Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods, WMDS, etc. This just doesn't share ties.

The Bush family and Bin Ladens are friends, or at least business partners. The day after 911 when a no fly zone was enacted over the whole of the US the US government flew the Bin Laden family out of America in secrecy. Again, factual.

The whole Al Qadea threat was created by America as a pretext for war in Iraq and carrying out there vested interests in the middle east. They absolutely wanted Bin Laden alive as he was the face of that fear, makes no sense at all to stage his death before that.

Bilbo, I am VERY aware of this, is was practically my entire point. Are you actually suggesting that if Osama Bin Laden had died during the Bush administration, there would have been a conspriracy to delay releasing this news, until after the Republicans LOST the presedential election? Like there was a vast conspiracy to first have Obama elected, and then let him take credit for it? There is no possible political motif for the timing of this if what you are saying is in fact true, unless you can of course explain to be why the Carlyle group would have been involved in a wider conspiracy to have the Democrats win the senate. But that would take some real doing wouldn't it, conspiracy theories are supposed to be nice and easy so those sitting at home all day can sound like they know everything.

[p4pking]

I should also hope you realize that Bin Laden had been disowned by his own family in 1994 after opposing US forces in Saudi Arabia, as well as carrying out violent Jihads in Egypt and Sudan. He lost his Saudi citizenship and his allowance, no longer sharing any of his families business affiliations whatsoever. But of course that's doesn't make your idea sound as cool either.

[AdamGB]

You'd think if he was killed during the bush years that bush would release it towards the end of his term to help his legacy and try to help keep his party in power?

Of course the American people only THINK that they have two choices of party... really it's all men behind the curtains pulling the strings, lizard men that is free mason, iluminanti lizard men.

[p4pking]

You'd think if he was killed during the bush years that bush would release it towards the end of his term to help his legacy and try to help keep his party in power?

Of course the American people only THINK that they have two choices of party... really it's all men behind the curtains pulling the strings, lizard men that is free mason, iluminanti lizard men.

I probably have as little faith in American policy as Bilbo or Miles do, but they need to draw the line somewhere and think for a few seconds. Bush and many wealthy Americans dealt with the Bin Laden family because they are Saudi oil kingpins, with strong ties to the Royal family. Osama was just their spoilt brat of a child who lost the plot somewhere and had nothing to do with American business interests.

[Spicoli]

I hope he shit himself badly

[katfight]

Dead or not ( I don't believe the bullshit and I'm glad ppl are questioning politicians , the talk crap to get in power so y think they'll tell the truth once they r there?) I don't care if he's dead but I think if it was done the way they say ( which it wasn't because they are lying) then it's an act of terrorism you cannot go into another country and shoot an unarmed man ( they said unarmed so whoever said u don't have to be holding a gun they have blown ppl up-- or something like that -- again they said unarmed that means without a weapon be it a bomb , gun, stick!) the story is changing every time someone breathes.. I don't know how a man who bans Internet and phones can mastermind something like that in America without some kind of aid? I need solid proof .... I agree with bilbo miles .. And yeah a crash like twin towers and terrorist passports survive ?? Something says conspiracy and btw freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a wonderful think I can think what I want

[Howlin Mad Missy]

good scrap on Question Time about it now

[boozeboxer]

Now the problem with that is the FBI never held him responsible for 9/11 in the first place.

FBI — Ten Most Wanted And his name is spelt differently....

Jesus Christ...



You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama

Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling

Because it was completely calling bullshit on the point!

So that blows everything else out of the water does it?

That's weak, very weak.

How is it weak refuting evidence that tends to weaken your case?

And to debate someone you don't necessarily have to "blow everything else out of the water" but you discriminate facts, point out inconsistencies that gives a blow to your credibility, etc. You test someone's credibility on one thing that is false and that often leads to clearer thinking that a so-called "expert" has other notions that are without merit.

[AdamGB]

Dead or not ( I don't believe the bullshit and I'm glad ppl are questioning politicians , the talk crap to get in power so y think they'll tell the truth once they r there?) I don't care if he's dead but I think if it was done the way they say ( which it wasn't because they are lying) then it's an act of terrorism you cannot go into another country and shoot an unarmed man ( they said unarmed so whoever said u don't have to be holding a gun they have blown ppl up-- or something like that -- again they said unarmed that means without a weapon be it a bomb , gun, stick!) the story is changing every time someone breathes.. I don't know how a man who bans Internet and phones can mastermind something like that in America without some kind of aid? I need solid proof .... I agree with bilbo miles .. And yeah a crash like twin towers and terrorist passports survive ?? Something says conspiracy and btw freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a wonderful think I can think what I want

Do you think he banned the internet and phones because he couldn't use them, or due to surveillance concerns kat? Come on... it's not my fucking dad we're talking about here!

You're talking like the US didn't have permision to be in Pakistan or that Osama wouldn't have classed himself as a Soldier.

If you're going to go after an enemy, it's hardly terrorism if they come after you, however heavy handed. he got exactly as much mercy as he would show if he was armed and in a room with Obama, or Bush, or me, or you.

Wish they had taken him alive... quiten those who don't believe it, through him away and make him suffer for the rest of his life. Not all that sad he got slotted either though to say the least.

[katfight]

Oh my bad I didn't realise that Osama was an employed member of the armed forces ( soldier) therefore it was ok to shoot him in the head because of course there is a war going on

[Youngblood]