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Floyd said he took the ortiz fight as a warm up for pac seen as he was a southpaw. I'm prbably just wishing this but could this be in floyds mind by taking on a bigger fighter in canelo he might be getting ready to fight Martinez later this year if the pac fight falls through again. Probably totaly wrong but i can dream lol.
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Re: Mayweather vs Guerrero
Yes you are dreaming, least path to resistance and most reward, so he will stay at welter and keep fighting chumps.Originally Posted by littlebif
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Re: Mayweather vs Guerrero
Angulo just beat the guy who was thought of as the next big thing at 154 in Angulo, Ortiz got demolished against Maidana who went on to get his ass torn up by a small blown up old Erik Morales, don't try and play it in favor of Floyd, facts are facts
and how the hell is Canelo tougher when Canelo struggled against a smaller limited Alfonso Gomez...
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Again you're seeing things through rose tinted glasses for Kirkland..I guess we're both guilty of it BUTAngulo just beat the guy who was thought of as the next big thing at 154 in Angulo, Ortiz got demolished against Maidana who went on to get his ass torn up by a small blown up old Erik Morales, don't try and play it in favor of Floyd, facts are facts
and how the hell is Canelo tougher when Canelo struggled against a smaller limited Alfonso Gomez...
Kirkland beat Angulo who was "supposed to be" the next big thing?? lol that means nothing. Supposed isn't the same as "IS"
Ortiz lost to Maidana..who then went on to give Amir Khan fits..it works both ways. Again, I will say he beat the 3rd best welter in the world convincingly..not the "supposedly" or maybe best welter...THE best welter bar MM and Pac.
So, I'm sorry I don't get where you're coming from but I don't. Canelo didn't struggle with Gomez he just looked bored as shit in there until he decided it was time for Alfonso to leave. He seems a fighter who fights down to his opponents level or up.
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he didn't decide it was time for Gomez to leave, the ref decided he wanted to get his night over with early and stopped the fight, that was a big time pre-mature stoppage and although there is no doubt that Alvarez would have stopped him eventually this is the same Alfonso Gomez who was dropped by a jab against Cotto at 147 a few years back, Alvarez should have had no probs getting him out of there in two shakesAgain you're seeing things through rose tinted glasses for Kirkland..I guess we're both guilty of it BUTAngulo just beat the guy who was thought of as the next big thing at 154 in Angulo, Ortiz got demolished against Maidana who went on to get his ass torn up by a small blown up old Erik Morales, don't try and play it in favor of Floyd, facts are facts
and how the hell is Canelo tougher when Canelo struggled against a smaller limited Alfonso Gomez...
Kirkland beat Angulo who was "supposed to be" the next big thing?? lol that means nothing. Supposed isn't the same as "IS"
Ortiz lost to Maidana..who then went on to give Amir Khan fits..it works both ways. Again, I will say he beat the 3rd best welter in the world convincingly..not the "supposedly" or maybe best welter...THE best welter bar MM and Pac.
So, I'm sorry I don't get where you're coming from but I don't. Canelo didn't struggle with Gomez he just looked bored as shit in there until he decided it was time for Alfonso to leave. He seems a fighter who fights down to his opponents level or up.
I'm by no means a Kirkland supporter, I've been criticized for saying that he's overrated and I said so before the Ishida fight, but Ortiz is becoming a bit overrated himself now (funny enough I was one of the few who backed the kid up since before his loss to Maidana all the way up to his win over Berto), Ortiz wasn't expected to beat Floyd at all, hell Berto himself is vastly overrated, who has he really beaten? Carlos Quintana who has been going on about how he's considering moving up in weight for a long time now, Luis Collazo who most feel beat Berto, Forbes who can't punch threw a paper bag, decisioned Urango who was blasted out more convincingly at 140 against Bailey, and that's about it
as it stands right now at 154 Cotto has the #1 spot with Canelo and Kirkland sharing #2, difference is that Kirkland has taken on more lively opposition while Canelo has barely stepped it up (yet by no means is his resume as pathetic as Chavez Jr)
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You have certainly made some valid points..I think we'll agree to disagree on this one as a case can be made for both fighters (as I think we've shown) so props on a good debate
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