Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[Althugz]

I'm not, but if he was the same size as any other elite fighter, do you think he'd stand out?

Yes.<br />
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What is this nonsense about size! If it were to do with size then why cant fellow eastern europeans timo hoffman and dimitrenko match what the klitschkos do! American e'g's? Lance whitaker? Corey sanders? Derrick jefferson? It is there ability not there size!!<br />
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And in regards to size obviously those who use this accusation never felt the urge to check the records of other famous boxers like Ali or Foreman. Because it's actually them who notoriously outweighed their opponents...<br />
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name of the fighter and in how many fights the boxer has been out-weighed (in no particular order): <br />
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-George Foreman 11% (9 of 81 fights) <br />
-Sonny Liston 18% (10 of 54) <br />
-Joe Louis 22% (16 of 70) <br />
-Vitali Klitschko 27% (12 of 43) <br />
-Lennox Lewis 27% (12 of 44) <br />
-Muhammad Ali 27% (17 of 61) <br />
-Riddick Bowe 31% (14 of 45) <br />
-Ron Lyle 37% (19 of 51) <br />
-Earnie Shavers 37% (34 of 90) <br />
-Joe Frazier 40% (15 of 37) <br />
-Ken Norton 40% (20 of 50) <br />
-Wladimir Klitschko 46% (27 of 50) <br />
-Larry Holmes 46% (35 of 75) <br />
-Mike Tyson 55% (32 of 50) <br />
-Evander Holyfield 81% (45 of 55) <br />
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You know the critics have no arguments left when they are using this old cliche.

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Useless stats - Those who outweigh Wlad do so due to lazyness for the most part. Heavies were generally in better shape back then. While I don't agree nor disagree with your point , you're using stats again that don't paint a full picture.

I rate Wlad, I think he would have held his own in most eras but I think we'd have seen a couple more losses on his record. I get the feeling somebody like Kenny Norton would have given him trouble or guys like Frazier who were great at slipping and sliding while getting inside.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I get the feeling somebody like Kenny Norton would have given him trouble or guys like Frazier who were great at slipping and sliding while getting inside

I Just posted a frazier thread.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

We all know lennox lewis beats both brothers..any era..anytime.
There is no arguement against that statement

Ya because lennox was unbeatable!

[El Kabong]

Wlad would demolish a lot of fighters and you guys still refuse to give him credit. Many people still refuse to believe that Wlad would slap Riddick Bowe silly when Andrew Golota had 0 trouble outclassing him until he decided to hit him low multiple times.

Ken Norton?!?! Wlad would have the easiest of times with him. What about Ken Norton says that he can beat Wladimir? It ain't his chin that's for fucking sure!

[Fenster]

Wlad was rattled by a silly shirt with his severed head on it. Fuck knows how terriffed he'd be after Riddick Bowe attacked him at the press conference.

He may well have beat Bowe, but he'd do so showing extreme caution, the only one getting "slapped silly," should that happen, would be Wlad.

[Violent Demise]

Wlad would demolish a lot of fighters and you guys still refuse to give him credit. Many people still refuse to believe that Wlad would slap Riddick Bowe silly when Andrew Golota had 0 trouble outclassing him until he decided to hit him low multiple times.

Ken Norton?!?! Wlad would have the easiest of times with him. What about Ken Norton says that he can beat Wladimir? It ain't his chin that's for fucking sure!

Bowe in his prime would of given Wlad a lot of problems. And might of even beaten him. Ken Norton on the other hand would of been slaughter by Wlad. As would of Frazier

[El Kabong]

Wlad was rattled by a silly shirt with his severed head on it. Fuck knows how terriffed he'd be after Riddick Bowe attacked him at the press conference.

He may well have beat Bowe, but he'd do so showing extreme caution, the only one getting "slapped silly," should that happen, would be Wlad.

If by "rattled" you mean he pitched a shutout then yes I agree. What the fuck would Riddick Bowe do to Wlad? Riddick never faced a big time puncher like Wlad, Riddick was lazy in the ring, and routinely gave up his height and reach to attempt to fight on the inside. If you volunteer to give up your height & reach, Wlad will take advantage and he'll hurt you.

[Gandalf]

Wlad has a mediocre record and any monster beats him. All this play safe is rubbish. Tyson would have knocked him out.

[El Kabong]

Wlad has a mediocre record and any monster beats him. All this play safe is rubbish. Tyson would have knocked him out.

Just like he did Buster Douglas

[Fenster]

Wlad was rattled by a silly shirt with his severed head on it. Fuck knows how terriffed he'd be after Riddick Bowe attacked him at the press conference.

He may well have beat Bowe, but he'd do so showing extreme caution, the only one getting "slapped silly," should that happen, would be Wlad.

If by "rattled" you mean he pitched a shutout then yes I agree. What the fuck would Riddick Bowe do to Wlad? Riddick never faced a big time puncher like Wlad, Riddick was lazy in the ring, and routinely gave up his height and reach to attempt to fight on the inside. If you volunteer to give up your height & reach, Wlad will take advantage and he'll hurt you.

He was upset at the picture Haye procuced and then promised a spectacular punishing performace. You predicted that too. However, he failed to deliver and did what he always does - safety first.

Bowe would have seriously upset him beforehand.

Wlad has lost to worse fighter than Bowe. For sure he might outpoint him, but if someone got murdered it would be Wlad.

[El Kabong]

He was upset at the picture Haye procuced and then promised a spectacular punishing performace. You predicted that too. However, he failed to deliver and did what he always does - safety first.

Bowe would have seriously upset him beforehand.

Wlad has lost to worse fighter than Bowe. For sure he might outpoint him, but if someone got murdered it would be Wlad.

Upset...not "rattled" and he still won EASILY vs a fighter who was scared shitless and attempting to win by DQ.


Riddick Bowe is the wreckless one, and Wlad would pick him apart better than Golota did and with more power and Bowe would lose by KO/TKO

[imp]

We all know lennox lewis beats both brothers..any era..anytime.
There is no arguement against that statement

Ya because lennox was unbeatable!

Those losses were avenged and lucky punches that would have knocked out any heavyweight.

All im saying is lennox was a cut above the brothers but this is the brothers era and they are the best.

[El Kabong]

For anyone that says Wlad's resume is bad, who should he fight or have fought to make it better? He's beaten everybody who's anybody in the division.

[DavilaJones]

I was watching Ali vs Frazier again and I almost laughed out loud when I saw this, whenever Frazier was on this inside do you know what Ali did? He held on. For 15 rounds Ali threw jab jab jab, a 3-4 punch combo once every other round and held. Now I don't find that boring one bit. In fact i thought that was the smart thing to do. But I was reading the critique on Vitali and Wlad and I just couldn't help but smile.

[Master]

I was watching Ali vs Frazier again and I almost laughed out loud when I saw this, whenever Frazier was on this inside do you know what Ali did? He held on. For 15 rounds Ali threw jab jab jab, a 3-4 punch combo once every other round and held. Now I don't find that boring one bit. In fact i thought that was the smart thing to do. But I was reading the critique on Vitali and Wlad and I just couldn't help but smile.

It is one thing to do it to Frazier it is another to do it to Haye.