The "Puerto Rico vs. Mexico boxing rivalry" - who's winning?

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

[outspoken]

I wonder if anyone is going to even bother to create a third Puerto Rico vs Mexico thread and expect for it to be a civil debate lol

[outspoken]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

Say what you will about Chavez Jr but honestly if you think Canelo is scared or ducking fighters it's pretty moronic. Canelo was set to fight Paul Williams before the accident, then Canelo was set to fight Ortiz who mind you had just fought Mayweather but well.. Josesito had a fluke win so Canelo handled that. Canelo has been calling out Mayweather for a while now, Kirkland backed out of the fight... I'm not sure about Cotto I can't remember hearing that but.. Canelo is stepping up no need to hate on him. Not to mention Mosley but "he was old and past his prime" because he lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao right?

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

Say what you will about Chavez Jr but honestly if you think Canelo is scared or ducking fighters it's pretty moronic. Canelo was set to fight Paul Williams before the accident, then Canelo was set to fight Ortiz who mind you had just fought Mayweather but well.. Josesito had a fluke win so Canelo handled that. Canelo has been calling out Mayweather for a while now, Kirkland backed out of the fight... I'm not sure about Cotto I can't remember hearing that but.. Canelo is stepping up no need to hate on him. Not to mention Mosley but "he was old and past his prime" because he lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao right?

not a knock on what Williams was, but what had Paul done really leading up to that fight? a gift decision against Lara in what should have been his 3rd loss in 4 fights, then he beat the one hit wonder Ishida

Canelo was set to fight Ortiz....a guy who started at 140, was KTFO there and then KTFO at 147, what do you think was gonna happen at 154 against a bigger fresher opponent?

Kirkland is the only fighter that well people can claim backed out of a fight with Canelo, but Kirkland had just gotten a gift win against Molina in a fight that he looked extremely flat in, he claimed he had a back injury and well in HIS defense he has not fought to this day

Are you seriously trying to validate Mosley as a legit threat? He didn't just lose to Floyd and Manny, he was completely dominated and made to look like the old shell of a fighter he used to be, throw in a draw against the likes of Sergio fucking Mora in between those losses and sorry that makes a Canelo/Mosley fight a step down not up. People already thought he was on the slide before the Margarito fight, he showed up gave one last great performance and then went on to stink out the place in the next 4 fights.

You're blind and in denial if you can't admit that Canelo hasn't fought a legit contender or threatening opponent to date, he's fought guys that are either smaller, old, or just not that good.

[Violent Demise]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

If you knew they offered Kirkland a fight (and refused it) than why list him as someone Alvarez should be fighting? That's just stupidity.

There was no point in offering Cotto a fight after he made it clear he didn't wanna fight Alvarez. His bullshit excuse was he had a big money fight in December. Supposely a Pac or Mayweather rematch. He's fighting Austin Trout instead. He used the rematch possibilites to avoid fighting Alvarez. You can hype Trout all you want. Claim he's this and that. It don't matter. Cuz there is no way Cotto makes more for a Trout fight tha he would for a Alvarez fight. No way.

[IamInuit]

Put a fucking cork in it already and consider dusting this thread. What a fucking nightmare that should have been one of the most interesting threads ever.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

If you knew they offered Kirkland a fight (and refused it) than why list him as someone Alvarez should be fighting? That's just stupidity.

There was no point in offering Cotto a fight after he made it clear he didn't wanna fight Alvarez. His bullshit excuse was he had a big money fight in December. Supposely a Pac or Mayweather rematch. He's fighting Austin Trout instead. He used the rematch possibilites to avoid fighting Alvarez. You can hype Trout all you want. Claim he's this and that. It don't matter. Cuz there is no way Cotto makes more for a Trout fight tha he would for a Alvarez fight. No way.

because Kirkland rejected or pulled out of the fight due to a back injury, an injury long gone now, so he is still in the running to be an opponent but Alvarez wont take the fight, he'll probably just fight Ortiz despite his loss to Lopez

so now you put your own damn foot in your mouth first making up the bullshit that Cotto was offered a fight and now that there was no point into it, Cotto was juggling the two offers for rematches against either Mayweather or Pacquiao, but it looks like Floyd has no plans on fighting again this year and well Pacquiao had already started with the bullshit demands that he's famous for, calling for another catchweight and refusing to face Cotto at 154, so he did what most are criticized for not doing, he told them both to shove it and took a lesser pay day against a lesser known undefeated tough opponent, he's doing what you criticized him for not doing before, that he was supposedly in it only for the money and wasn't looking for high risk opponents, well his fight against Trout is clearly high risk low reward, when is Canelo finally gonna do the same and take on that type of opponent? Molina is available and has earned the payday, make the fight

[Violent Demise]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

If you knew they offered Kirkland a fight (and refused it) than why list him as someone Alvarez should be fighting? That's just stupidity.

There was no point in offering Cotto a fight after he made it clear he didn't wanna fight Alvarez. His bullshit excuse was he had a big money fight in December. Supposely a Pac or Mayweather rematch. He's fighting Austin Trout instead. He used the rematch possibilites to avoid fighting Alvarez. You can hype Trout all you want. Claim he's this and that. It don't matter. Cuz there is no way Cotto makes more for a Trout fight tha he would for a Alvarez fight. No way.

because Kirkland rejected or pulled out of the fight due to a back injury, an injury long gone now, so he is still in the running to be an opponent but Alvarez wont take the fight, he'll probably just fight Ortiz despite his loss to Lopez

so now you put your own damn foot in your mouth first making up the bullshit that Cotto was offered a fight and now that there was no point into it, Cotto was juggling the two offers for rematches against either Mayweather or Pacquiao, but it looks like Floyd has no plans on fighting again this year and well Pacquiao had already started with the bullshit demands that he's famous for, calling for another catchweight and refusing to face Cotto at 154, so he did what most are criticized for not doing, he told them both to shove it and took a lesser pay day against a lesser known undefeated tough opponent, he's doing what you criticized him for not doing before, that he was supposedly in it only for the money and wasn't looking for high risk opponents, well his fight against Trout is clearly high risk low reward, when is Canelo finally gonna do the same and take on that type of opponent? Molina is available and has earned the payday, make the fight

Told you, you knew shit about Boxing. Kirkland is in all kinds of legal disputes. With his promoter, manager and trainer. He ain't gonna be available any time soon.

I was wondering when the over-hyping of Trout would begin. All that praise he gets, yet his best win is over Delvin Rodriguez. In a fight he looked like crap in. Trout resume is pretty fucking weak. Calling him high risk is laughable. Don't let his hollow record and paper title fool you. He's very little risk. I'm expecting Cotto to run right through him

[TitoFan]

I was wondering when the over-hyping of Trout would begin. All that praise he gets, yet his best win is over Delvin Rodriguez. In a fight he looked like crap in. Trout resume is pretty fucking weak. Calling him high risk is laughable. Don't let his hollow record and paper title fool you. He's very little risk. I'm expecting Cotto to run right through him

I'm sure Trout's resume would "magically" look a whole lot better if it was Canelo he was facing instead of Cotto.
Even David Fucking Copperfield himself would be envious.

[Violent Demise]

I was wondering when the over-hyping of Trout would begin. All that praise he gets, yet his best win is over Delvin Rodriguez. In a fight he looked like crap in. Trout resume is pretty fucking weak. Calling him high risk is laughable. Don't let his hollow record and paper title fool you. He's very little risk. I'm expecting Cotto to run right through him

I'm sure Trout's resume would "magically" look a whole lot better if it was Canelo he was facing instead of Cotto.
Even David Fucking Copperfield himself would be envious.

Past posts clearly show I never thought much of Trout. Still don't. Try harder

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was wondering when the over-hyping of Trout would begin. All that praise he gets, yet his best win is over Delvin Rodriguez. In a fight he looked like crap in. Trout resume is pretty fucking weak. Calling him high risk is laughable. Don't let his hollow record and paper title fool you. He's very little risk. I'm expecting Cotto to run right through him

I'm sure Trout's resume would "magically" look a whole lot better if it was Canelo he was facing instead of Cotto.
Even David Fucking Copperfield himself would be envious.

Past posts clearly show I never thought much of Trout. Still don't. Try harder

past posts show you trying to hype up guys like Chavez Jr, with even less merit =/

[:::PSL:::]

Who else Puerto Rico got? Ofcourse Mexico is winning the boxing rivalry.

[outspoken]

Who else Puerto Rico got? Ofcourse Mexico is winning the boxing rivalry.

[TitoFan]

Who else Puerto Rico got? Ofcourse Mexico is winning the boxing rivalry.

I think you got us confused with the Phillipines, who have Pacquiao, Donaire, and a bunch of nondescript shit underneath.

[:::PSL:::]

Who else Puerto Rico got? Ofcourse Mexico is winning the boxing rivalry.

I think you got us confused with the Phillipines, who have Pacquiao, Donaire, and a bunch of nondescript shit underneath.

Lol! Just telling it like it is brother. No need to get all sensitive.

I'm nationalistic too. I'm bias most of the time. But it don't cloud my judgement from the truth.