Thatchers Dead

[Nameless]

Personally, from what I know and what I've read,I think that she did create way more vicious and terrible things to the UK than the good she did prove out to be. As far as I am concerned, it's a very good friggin' riddance. And I am not saying this as a matter of left or right.

[Gandalf]

Ken Loach has the right idea regarding the funeral of the horrid old hag, just privatise the damn thing! Ideologically she would have loved it!

Ken Loach wants Thatcher's funeral privatised - Yahoo! Movies UK

It makes me laugh when people suggest she fixed a broken Britain. She sold the country and the place is paying the price even today. You privatise everything then everything costs more as you need to make profits and keep shareowners happy. Those adults who voted Thatcher in back then for short term selfish motives are old now and see a society that is obselete and where their children struggle to find decent work. Unless you are Kirkland, you really haven't seen any gains from that cultural butchers job. This is the legacy of Thatcher.

A service based economy is a hoax that right wing nutters tried to spoon feed people on courses at Universities and which in turn was perpetuated by the media. All it means is that you have to work in a supermarket, or a shop, or sell insurance, or pretend to look busy in front of a computer. It is an economy based on little of any real substance. Only the few can find the gateways to advance themselves in such an environment. Property is increasingly beyond reach, wages don't increase in real terms, social advancement is null, utilities cost a fucking fortune, unions are practically dead thus no wage negotiation, unemployment in real terms remains high and is always so as they fudge the books, the little that you get is so that the few can always have more.

A service based economy means that the only way to pretend to grow is to charge a fortune for basic services as you have nothing to give other nations. You import more food, mine less, import all your electronics etc. Unless you have lived overseas you never really understand just how awful the UK is. Thus fixing a washing machine, getting a hair cut or anything posing as a service is really just there to fleece you of the little cash you have. There is no other way to make money. I get my hair cut for 3 pounds, an old washing machine long past its warrantee fixed for free by LG, and can get the bus to Seoul for a fiver. This is how it should be done and damn cheap bills too. It's almost impossible to spend money at times. Thatcher means that none of these things are possible for English people. They cannot export, have no competitiveness and thus rely on rip off services and outrageous utilities.

The UK doesn't grow largely because it is sold. Everyone lives on credit and everything that could be sucked dry has been. Finance? Lovely jubbly! That is Thatcherism. Make them spend more by giving them less and pretend to grow by giving credit. Then of course it all eventually implodes and really a country like the UK is pretty dead. Everyone knows it and the anger against Thatcher is a reflection of that sad realisation. It is all gone. It's an irrelevant place except for poodle dog posturing.

[Beanz]

If she was Labour she'd be adored

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The parties will not be much less exuberant when Blair finally kicks the bucket.

[Memphis]

Ken Loach has the right idea regarding the funeral of the horrid old hag, just privatise the damn thing! Ideologically she would have loved it!

Ken Loach wants Thatcher's funeral privatised - Yahoo! Movies UK

Im sure she would. She is in fact dead, isnt making any money, its going to cost 'us' a bomb to maintain. Perfect for privatisation.

[superheavyrhun]

Ken Loach has the right idea regarding the funeral of the horrid old hag, just privatise the damn thing! Ideologically she would have loved it!

Ken Loach wants Thatcher's funeral privatised - Yahoo! Movies UK

Im sure she would. She is in fact dead, isnt making any money, its going to cost 'us' a bomb to maintain. Perfect for privatisation.

She wanted a state funeral for herself. Shove her in a cheap wooden box down in the pauper's aisle of the public graveyard. Make sure a stake is put through her heart first.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

If she was Labour she'd be adored

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The parties will not be much less exuberant when Blair finally kicks the bucket.

I honestly don't think there would be, we've not had a PM has hated as her -ever.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

Oh yeah, you called her a cunt and Master said she screwed the minors, my bad

You serious? You dropped the 'you dont know boxing politics' line on me and now Im a tool for giving you a dig back?

Heres the thing, and the thing that annoys me about all this. For all your living it, sleeping it, breathing it (mind the fumes) and your politics GCSE (I apologise in advance for this), all Ive got from you over the last 2 days here and elsewhere is hatred for someone who made as far as you're concerned shit decisions on the countries behalf. So much so that its funny and acceptable that people who if you have a look are probably as, if not more politically retarded than I am get pissed in streets they dont live in and throw petrol bombs at police. All in the name of that woman that closed down our....their....someones mines.

Thats why I asked the question. Im not convinced of the answer either. What investment was going to make an already sinking ship float again given the competition? And wasnt it already subsidised? Werent 'we' paying others to use our coal?

you don't actually have to have studied to take notice of the world around you, therefore in your own words politically retarded (so I was correct and you got pissy about nothing), so me listing what she was responsible for won't make any difference if you never took notice first time round.

I don't see you actually attempting any sort of critique of her policies with me or Miles or Master or Kirkland or Di - so you must correct when you admit you know nothing but feel the need to pick a fight anyway.Thatcher would be proud of your distraction tactics

[Memphis]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

Oh yeah, you called her a cunt and Master said she screwed the minors, my bad

You serious? You dropped the 'you dont know boxing politics' line on me and now Im a tool for giving you a dig back?

Heres the thing, and the thing that annoys me about all this. For all your living it, sleeping it, breathing it (mind the fumes) and your politics GCSE (I apologise in advance for this), all Ive got from you over the last 2 days here and elsewhere is hatred for someone who made as far as you're concerned shit decisions on the countries behalf. So much so that its funny and acceptable that people who if you have a look are probably as, if not more politically retarded than I am get pissed in streets they dont live in and throw petrol bombs at police. All in the name of that woman that closed down our....their....someones mines.

Thats why I asked the question. Im not convinced of the answer either. What investment was going to make an already sinking ship float again given the competition? And wasnt it already subsidised? Werent 'we' paying others to use our coal?

you don't actually have to have studied to take notice of the world around you, therefore in your own words politically retarded (so I was correct and you got pissy about nothing), so me listing what she was responsible for won't make any difference if you never took notice first time round.

I don't see you actually attempting any sort of critique of her policies with me or Miles or Master or Kirkland or Di - so you must correct when you admit you know nothing but feel the need to pick a fight anyway.Thatcher would be proud of your distraction tactics

Packing yourself with the hurd wont wash with me young Miss. You listing what she is responsible for gave nothing more than Ive read umpteen times over the last few days. Would it make you feel any better if I elaborated on the points Ive tentatively made and asked for a response on? Would it make you feel better if I said she sold off dying services and let wounded industries die? I doubt it.

I'd rather be politically reatarded to be honest. The one thing worse than knowing nothing. Pretending you know something.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

Oh yeah, you called her a cunt and Master said she screwed the minors, my bad

You serious? You dropped the 'you dont know boxing politics' line on me and now Im a tool for giving you a dig back?

Heres the thing, and the thing that annoys me about all this. For all your living it, sleeping it, breathing it (mind the fumes) and your politics GCSE (I apologise in advance for this), all Ive got from you over the last 2 days here and elsewhere is hatred for someone who made as far as you're concerned shit decisions on the countries behalf. So much so that its funny and acceptable that people who if you have a look are probably as, if not more politically retarded than I am get pissed in streets they dont live in and throw petrol bombs at police. All in the name of that woman that closed down our....their....someones mines.

Thats why I asked the question. Im not convinced of the answer either. What investment was going to make an already sinking ship float again given the competition? And wasnt it already subsidised? Werent 'we' paying others to use our coal?

you don't actually have to have studied to take notice of the world around you, therefore in your own words politically retarded (so I was correct and you got pissy about nothing), so me listing what she was responsible for won't make any difference if you never took notice first time round.

I don't see you actually attempting any sort of critique of her policies with me or Miles or Master or Kirkland or Di - so you must correct when you admit you know nothing but feel the need to pick a fight anyway.Thatcher would be proud of your distraction tactics

Packing yourself with the hurd wont wash with me young Miss. You listing what she is responsible for gave nothing more than Ive read umpteen times over the last few days. Would it make you feel any better if I elaborated on the points Ive tentatively made and asked for a response on? Would it make you feel better if I said she sold off dying services and let wounded industries die? I doubt it.

I'd rather be politically reatarded to be honest. The one thing worse than knowing nothing. Pretending you know something.

no point really as you would be incorrect.

You can try and bait me if you like but I've always been politically active, I even stood for council election so quite willing to put my money where my mouth. Quite nice to be able to say you believe in something rather than one of the shrugging couldn't give a toss sheeple.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

and if you dislike my tone on facebook you're more than welcome to not read it - like I said, you'd be doing her proud.

[Memphis]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

Oh yeah, you called her a cunt and Master said she screwed the minors, my bad

You serious? You dropped the 'you dont know boxing politics' line on me and now Im a tool for giving you a dig back?

Heres the thing, and the thing that annoys me about all this. For all your living it, sleeping it, breathing it (mind the fumes) and your politics GCSE (I apologise in advance for this), all Ive got from you over the last 2 days here and elsewhere is hatred for someone who made as far as you're concerned shit decisions on the countries behalf. So much so that its funny and acceptable that people who if you have a look are probably as, if not more politically retarded than I am get pissed in streets they dont live in and throw petrol bombs at police. All in the name of that woman that closed down our....their....someones mines.

Thats why I asked the question. Im not convinced of the answer either. What investment was going to make an already sinking ship float again given the competition? And wasnt it already subsidised? Werent 'we' paying others to use our coal?

you don't actually have to have studied to take notice of the world around you, therefore in your own words politically retarded (so I was correct and you got pissy about nothing), so me listing what she was responsible for won't make any difference if you never took notice first time round.

I don't see you actually attempting any sort of critique of her policies with me or Miles or Master or Kirkland or Di - so you must correct when you admit you know nothing but feel the need to pick a fight anyway.Thatcher would be proud of your distraction tactics

Packing yourself with the hurd wont wash with me young Miss. You listing what she is responsible for gave nothing more than Ive read umpteen times over the last few days. Would it make you feel any better if I elaborated on the points Ive tentatively made and asked for a response on? Would it make you feel better if I said she sold off dying services and let wounded industries die? I doubt it.

I'd rather be politically reatarded to be honest. The one thing worse than knowing nothing. Pretending you know something.

no point really as you would be incorrect.

You can try and bait me if you like but I've always been politically active, I even stood for council election so quite willing to put my money where my mouth. Quite nice to be able to say you believe in something rather than one of the shrugging couldn't give a toss sheeple.

Thats it in a nutshell for me to be honest. You politically enlightened types are all the same.

Couldnt give a toss sheeple? Are you talking about me or the masses that sit on their arses complaining that Maggie ruined their lives by shutting down't pit?

Im sure you would have waved a magic wand and made everything OK, well done. Im not trying to bait you, you do that yourself, Im just saying, actually not saying it, just suggesting it and you're getting menstrual about it.

[Gandalf]

Missy has made good points in this thread so I don't see why you are on her case, Memphis. Your empty point about Thatcher and privatisation makes NO sense either. It means you pay a lot more no matter what utility you are talking about and they were all privatised. A man can justify paying higher taxes to equal the playing field somewhat, but a man cannot justify paying higher bills to give shareholder satisfaction. It is nonsense and only an ideologue could rationalise it.

[Memphis]

Missy has made good points in this thread so I don't see why you are on her case, Memphis. Your empty point about Thatcher and privatisation makes NO sense either. It means you pay a lot more no matter what utility you are talking about and they were all privatised. A man can justify paying higher taxes to equal the playing field somewhat, but a man cannot justify paying higher bills to give shareholder satisfaction. It is nonsense and only an ideologue could rationalise it.

Who's on anyones case? All Ive said is Im sick of all the scripted Thatcher hate venom being spat by every Tom Dick and Harry using it as some sort of buffer before slagging off someone who's just snuffed it, even moreso the fuckwits who dont even bother to do that, just get pissed on street corners they dont live on and throw petrol bombs at police?

I asked for something more than 'she fucked the minors' or 'she's a cunt'. I asked the questions, got a response, asked some more, got no response. Par for the course from the politically enlightened I'd imagine?

[Gandalf]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

[Memphis]

When you have done no good in your life expect nothing less. Selling a nation on an absurd Friedman basis is less than virtuous.

Memphis, you have been clearly on Missy's case whence that sprawling mess of replies and with you making no decent arguments in response. It had to be pointed out. Clearly a parent.

Ok maybe you can pick up the mantel? The arguement was that our mines were shit because they werent subsidised. They were though werent they, several attempts in fact? Discuss. Also what investment was going to turn the ship around.

You're right, I am a parent, which means I can deal with these spats of pentulance with a dash of humour and nonchalance.

It would be quite easy to reel off some pro Thatcher rhetoric cut and shut from various sources wouldnt it? Im on neither side so I'll stick to asking my own questions which I think relevant. Whether someone answers them or not is up to them.