"Emos" now protected by "hate crime" laws

[El Kabong]

Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.

Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
• You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.

IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.

My punishments for your list

#1-#4 If premeditated death penalty or life with no parole. If heat of the moment then 18-life if it was unintentional then perhaps a lesser sentence.

Motive isn't the crime!

[TitoFan]

Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.

Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
• You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.

IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.

My punishments for your list

#1-#4 If premeditated death penalty or life with no parole. If heat of the moment then 18-life if it was unintentional then perhaps a lesser sentence.

Motive isn't the crime!

1 thru 3 are "heat of the moment". # 4 is coldly premeditated.
Thanks for answering.

[VictorCharlie]

What if I'm in the KKK and kill a black guy that cut me off in traffic?

[VictorCharlie]

Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.

Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
• You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.

IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.

My punishments for your list

#1-#4 If premeditated death penalty or life with no parole. If heat of the moment then 18-life if it was unintentional then perhaps a lesser sentence.

Motive isn't the crime!

1 thru 3 are "heat of the moment". # 4 is coldly premeditated.
Thanks for answering.

Also 1-3 don't necessarily have to be heat of the moment. I could kill a guy I found with my wife at a later date same with the traffic incident or the fight.

[greynotsoold]

The thing is, it is supposed to be "equal protection under the law." It is not that way. In my youth, I was involved in a mini race war, just neighborhood stuff. When white guys were assaulted and beaten and called 'punk ass white boys', it was chalked up to 'boys will be boys.' When we retaliated, and the dreaded 'n-word' was used, guys got phone number sentences.
Take a look at the 'Zebra Killings.' Black ex-cons went on a rampage, violently stabbing (and stabbings are REALLY violent) white victims. Nobody got 'hate' crime enhancements. Can you imagine if white convicts did the same thing?
I have been involved in racially motivated assaults, both as target and perpetrator. In the situations I was party to, it was just young men being violent, as young men will, but it wasn't adjudicated that way.
I think that, in some situations, there should really be no rules. You have young men, out portraying themselves in a particular way, let them handle their business. Let 'em fight,even if it is along racial lines. And it will be. How else should you pick teams? Go at it. I don't see the point in initiating violence towards people that are non-violent, merely different. That is cowardice.

[Andre]

Refreshing honesty there.

[El Kabong]

The thing is, it is supposed to be "equal protection under the law." It is not that way. In my youth, I was involved in a mini race war, just neighborhood stuff. When white guys were assaulted and beaten and called 'punk ass white boys', it was chalked up to 'boys will be boys.' When we retaliated, and the dreaded 'n-word' was used, guys got phone number sentences.
Take a look at the 'Zebra Killings.' Black ex-cons went on a rampage, violently stabbing (and stabbings are REALLY violent) white victims. Nobody got 'hate' crime enhancements. Can you imagine if white convicts did the same thing?
I have been involved in racially motivated assaults, both as target and perpetrator. In the situations I was party to, it was just young men being violent, as young men will, but it wasn't adjudicated that way.
I think that, in some situations, there should really be no rules. You have young men, out portraying themselves in a particular way, let them handle their business. Let 'em fight,even if it is along racial lines. And it will be. How else should you pick teams? Go at it. I don't see the point in initiating violence towards people that are non-violent, merely different. That is cowardice.

THANK YOU!

See Titofan, hate crime legislation is full of prejudice and inequality and if the bleeding hearts truly cared about "fairness" then the laws on the books would be justly and equally enforced.

[El Kabong]

Titofan you're a fan of this list, let's tweak it a bit

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife. Let's say the man you found in bed with your wife is of a different race, does that make it a hate crime?
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway. Let's say it was a person of a different race, does that make it a hate crime?
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar. Again, let's say it was a person of a different race does that make it a hate crime?
• You kill someone because he's an emo and you're not. Does that make it a hate crime?

Real life example of the prejudices "hate crimes" legislation can lead to would be the case of Matthew Shepard as opposed to the case of Jesse Dirkhising and also James Byrd's case as opposed to the case of Channon Christian & Christopher Newsome. All the cases listed were absolutely terrible, but only the minorities who were murdered had extra hate crime legislation either added to the books or added on the sentences of their murderers and THAT my friend does little more than create resentment.

[VictorCharlie]

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

[El Kabong]

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

Oh no, not SKY BLUE!!!!

[TitoFan]

What if I'm in the KKK and kill a black guy that cut me off in traffic?

The motive was he cut you off in traffic. It's not a race-motivated lynching.
Next.

Titofan you're a fan of this list, let's tweak it a bit

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife. Let's say the man you found in bed with your wife is of a different race, does that make it a hate crime? The motive was jealous rage. Not a hate crime.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway. Let's say it was a person of a different race, does that make it a hate crime? The motive was road rage. Not a hate crime.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar. Again, let's say it was a person of a different race does that make it a hate crime? It was heat of the moment. Not a hate crime.
• You kill someone because he's an emo and you're not. Does that make it a hate crime? If you killed him solely because he's an emo, it's a hate crime.

Real life example of the prejudices "hate crimes" legislation can lead to would be the case of Matthew Shepard as opposed to the case of Jesse Dirkhising and also James Byrd's case as opposed to the case of Channon Christian & Christopher Newsome. All the cases listed were absolutely terrible, but only the minorities who were murdered had extra hate crime legislation either added to the books or added on the sentences of their murderers and THAT my friend does little more than create resentment.

I hope this helps.

[TitoFan]

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

Oh no, not SKY BLUE!!!!

The Batman and Robin analogy wasn't well received (VC refuses to be Robin).
How about Laurel and Hardy?

[VictorCharlie]

The motive was he cut you off in traffic. It's not a race-motivated lynching.

Yeah but that is not how this always plays out. If a attention seeking prosecutor could allege that I am a racist (while despicable not illegal) then he can get his/her face in the news for going after hate crimes. "The traffic incident set this in motion but the victim wouldn't be dead if VC wasn't a KKK member." This type of law violates free speech b/c you are sentencing people based on their thoughts and beliefs. It shouldn't matter if someone is a bigot, assault and murder are enough in their own right to prosecute.

[VictorCharlie]

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

Brace yourself Lyle, you are about to get a bulletized retort in size 15 font and sky blue

Oh no, not SKY BLUE!!!!

The Batman and Robin analogy wasn't well received (VC refuses to be Robin).
How about Laurel and Hardy?

Always with the name calling

[El Kabong]

Oh no, I got called Batman and/or Robin, how dreadful.......or are you implying that VC & I are gay, because I'm pretty sure that's a hate crime or hate speech. As a matter of fact I've been singled out by other posters and they've poured out their hate speech on me, I'm calling Gloria Allred!!! You bastards are going to pay!!! Little did you know I'm in a subculture group......YEAH! a Subculture group! And You're discriminating against me & hurting my f-f-f-feelings, and lowering my self esteem by cyber bullying and hate speech....MOOOOOOODS!!!!!!!! Ban Tito, he's hate speeching against me!!!!