Nelson Mandela has died

[El Kabong]

And she would not support sanctions or boycotts to stop the racist regime. She and her party were always against ANC and Nelson Mandela.

She didn't resort to terrorist attacks to try and get her way either.

[Master]

And she would not support sanctions or boycotts to stop the racist regime. She and her party were always against ANC and Nelson Mandela.

She didn't resort to terrorist attacks to try and get her way either.

No as she was not in the situation Mandela found himself in.

[El Kabong]

And she would not support sanctions or boycotts to stop the racist regime. She and her party were always against ANC and Nelson Mandela.

She didn't resort to terrorist attacks to try and get her way either.

No as she was not in the situation Mandela found himself in.

Gandhi didn't, Martin Luther King Jr didn't .....I'm just saying Mandela was not infallible.

[Master]

And she would not support sanctions or boycotts to stop the racist regime. She and her party were always against ANC and Nelson Mandela.

She didn't resort to terrorist attacks to try and get her way either.

No as she was not in the situation Mandela found himself in.

Gandhi didn't, Martin Luther King Jr didn't .....I'm just saying Mandela was not infallible.

No body says he was but he was a socialist so you do not like him.

[El Kabong]

No body says he was but he was a socialist so you do not like him.

He's not a hero of mine. He EVENTUALLY did right by his country with peace and that is commendable.


Must I like a socialist? Is it required of me?

[Master]

No body says he was but he was a socialist so you do not like him.

He's not a hero of mine. He EVENTUALLY did right by his country with peace and that is commendable.


Must I like a socialist? Is it required of me?

No but you should dislike them if they are.

[El Kabong]

No but you should dislike them if they are.

....perhaps his years as a terrorist give me enough reason

[El Kabong]

My problem is this: leftist leaders, no matter what they do, are lionized. They don't have to bring peace to some war tore place, they don't have to feed the hungry or house the homeless or any of that they get by on the backs of propagandists. Anyone who doesn't espouse the leftist/socialist doctrine is immediately considered evil and everyone is happy to be rid of them.

Someone looks at Mandela they see a man of peace a man of greatness, a man who did good for his country.

The winners write the history books I guess....Mandela is lionized and for ending Apartheid that is fine, but dig deeper and you can see the truth.

[boyla]

[El Kabong]

Pledging to kill the whites.....sounds peaceful enough to me

[Andre]

Pledging to kill the whites.....sounds peaceful enough to me

You going to point to that as meaning all whites?

There were white men standing along side them singing it in the vid!

If they meant it,literally or whole hearted they would of turned on those white men right there and then.

Besides the obvious, they, the Corsa behind Mandella went for peace.

The Northern Ireland people in pubs still sing the old war songs too even to this day,you could point that out, but it wont disrupt the peace cause its what people do that counts not their traditional songs over graves and in pubs.

[El Kabong]

The Northern Ireland people in pubs still sing the old war songs too even to this day,you could point that out, but it wont disrupt the peace cause its what people do that counts not their traditional songs over graves and in pubs.

Yeah and the N. Irish and the Irish aren't getting Nobel Peace Prizes now are they?

Amnesty International didn't help Mandela because he was NOT a prisoner of conscience. That should tell you everything you need to know right there.

[Gandalf]

My problem is this: leftist leaders, no matter what they do, are lionized. They don't have to bring peace to some war tore place, they don't have to feed the hungry or house the homeless or any of that they get by on the backs of propagandists. Anyone who doesn't espouse the leftist/socialist doctrine is immediately considered evil and everyone is happy to be rid of them.

Someone looks at Mandela they see a man of peace a man of greatness, a man who did good for his country.

The winners write the history books I guess....Mandela is lionized and for ending Apartheid that is fine, but dig deeper and you can see the truth.

Leftist leaders get lionized? Who exactly? What you describe is your own political system and in fact your own political system is against the entire world through either actual physical invasion or else online privacy invasion. Either way, anyone who disagrees with America doesn't need a court of law, but a one way ticket to rendition. But yeah, criticize the lefties who don't really exist in the meaningful political world. It is the right wing manifest destiny types who are the real problem and they are so wacky that they sign up for Warhammer as any decent civil servant will.

Mandela is being flaunted by hideous zealots who themselves are far greater terrorists than Mandela. "Ooh, smile!" says wannabe butcher Cameron and actual butcher Obama as they smile for pictures. Mandela is lionized because he sold out to the butchers. If he had actually been left wing and refused to pay off debt incurred by racists, if he had actually nationalised welfare, he would have been ostracised. That is why Mandela is loved. Race is just the subtext, he perpetuated economic interests, that is the main point of Mandela.

Obama and Cameron will not be going to the funeral of Fidel Castro and I don't see Britain pursuing the policies of Attlee for much longer. Nobody in the Western elite looks up to or lionizes real political socialists. They have eliminated and condemned genuine socialists. Real socialists like Orwell have been used for blueprints only. Only the deranged right remain in power and socialism is almost a defunct term politically.

[Kirkland Laing]

[El Kabong]

Leftist leaders get lionized? Who exactly?

Ted Kennedy is one, Che Guavera, Mandela, FDR, soon to be Jimmy Carter

And why? Because of their INTENTIONS not that they killed someone, killed a few people, put the Japanese in internment camps, etc