Eubank Sr. the REASON...

[Fenster]

ross - I hate Eubank jr so much that - in this very thread i've said that a draw was possible, even though virtually everyone else thought he lost, and that Jr would win a rematch.

I don't think Hopkins beat Calzaghe. I was using it as an example to show why your theory about split decisions was stupid. And you've proved it straight away. The fighter you supported - Eubank jr - didn't deserve to lose because it was SD. But Calzaghe, the fighter you supported against Hopkins, deserved his SD win because you don't agree with the judge that scored against him. Can't you see how silly that is?

Put this in your pipe - Jimmy Tibbs has never trained a fighter to beat one Ronnie Davies trains (you didn't even know the fights but I know at least three). Billy Joe is too small. Eubank's lack of experience doesn't matter because he batters "world-class" sparring partners. Trot.

Fen,

Seems like we're opposites.

I normally win money on boxing and your prediction record is atrocious.

You hate the Eu's, for reasons you have not shared with us, I hate Calzaghe, because he cancelled a fight with Glen Johnson at late notice because he had ' a bad back' the real reason is that he was banged up on a saturday night for bashing his then wife.

Glen Johnson is a quality fighter, he lost £100k in travel and training expenses because of Calzaghes bad back, he then went on to beat an ageing Roy Jones, before Calslappy did.

So, we all have our own biases in fights, for various reasons.

Nevertheless I agree with you, we cant argue sensiblly that EU was a winner, only that he turned up late!

Come again?

You win money on boxing?

Fenster's prediction record is rubbish?

Calzaghe? Johnson? Roy? Bad Backs? Bashed up wives?

Lets start again with - what gives you the impression that I hate Eubank or his son? I've never said anything other than snr was a great fighter and jr is a top prospect.

[smashup]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

[g3org3]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

[smashup]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

[g3org3]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score a fight or else your a big bjs fan.

[smashup]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score a fight or else your a big bjs fan.

Neither but I do score rounds to the guy who's busier and actually throwing and landing shots just like most people do.

[ryanman]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score a fight or else your a big bjs fan.

Eubank won his rounds clearer yes but as you know that makes no difference unless he forces a 10-8 which he didn't. For me, 7-5 to BJS with a plausible case for a draw.

[Andre]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score afight or else your a big bjs fan.

Actually what you just wrote doesnt add up not how real scoring adds up.
You either win a round or you dont. Nicking a round doesnt even come into scoring,if you nick it by one clear shot you win that round,that is why the sport allows for defensive fighters styles and aggressive fighters styles.

Because one fighter dominated the first part softer and the other dominated the end harder doesnt count for shit either. Unless its a draw then the judges may look a touch more towards a more dominant fighter but not otherwise. The rounds in this fight were clear enough to be able to score all the clean unblocked untouched shots.

[g3org3]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score a fight or else your a big bjs fan.

Neither but I do score rounds to the guy who's busier and actually throwing and landing shots just like most people do.

No you said bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight that's complete bull shit he didnt dominate 1 single round, what was bjs most dominating round ? The fight was close I agree I had eubank wining but it was very close I don't have a problem for people saying Saunders won a close fight but I do have a problem with people saying bjs dominated any round in that fight never mind the 1st 6 rounds it's laughable.

[g3org3]

Saunders did enough in the first half to only need a late round to win
I though Eubank could rough him up very early and bully him but he simply didn't and a lot of people posting in this thread are only remembering the latter rounds.
Yes Eubank was pressing forward but
He was hardly landing punches consistently, yeah he landed a few uppercuts but Saunders was never in trouble and was fiting back with good punches.
No case for a draw imo.... BJS clearly won that.
Eubank snr needs to fuck off out of his boys corner too... telling him to relax and keep doing what your doing when infact your doing fuck all and losing round after round.
I think the occasion and pressure got to Eubank too but if he can up his work rate then maybe he has a decent future.

So what exactly did bjs do the 1st half of the fight ? Cause after watching the fight 2 times now he didn't win 1 single round convincingly, please please tell me what round he clearly won ? I agree he nicked most of the 1st 5 rounds but that's exactly what he did he just nicked them. I think you listening to those shocking commentators a bit to much. I think it was the start of the 4th round eubank snapped bjs head right back with a jab and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it lol

He jabbed and moved well and dominated Eubank in the opening rounds... that all you need to do to win rounds....... land punches
Saunders did and Eubank didn't

Simple really

Lol we me and you clearly have different thoughts of dominating rounds, I seriously question your boxing nolage if you think that's dominating.

You don't have to do a lot if your opponent hardly lands anything and does absolutely nothing to dominate rounds in the judges eyes.

This is exactly what happened in the first 5-6 rounds.

Not sure what fight you watched?

Well it was obviously a different fight to the 1 you seen. Fight I seen Saunders nicked 4 of the 1st 5 rounds and I mean really nicked them not a lot in any of them 2nd half eubank took his rounds clearly landed the bigger punches and landed more shots. For you to say bjs dominated the 1st half of the fight shows you can't score afight or else your a big bjs fan.

Actually what you just wrote doesnt add up not how real scoring adds up.
You either win a round or you dont. Nicking a round doesnt even come into scoring,if you nick it by one clear shot you win that round,that is why the sport allows for defensive fighters styles and aggressive fighters styles.

Because one fighter dominated the first part softer and the other dominated the end harder doesnt count for shit either. Unless its a draw then the judges may look a touch more towards a more dominant fighter but not otherwise. The rounds in this fight were clear enough to be able to score all the clean unblocked untouched shots.

What I said was the 1st 5 rounds were close nothing in them and bjs nicked them I scored 4 of the 1st 5 rounds for bjs but you could easily of had 1 or 2 10-10 rounds

[ross]

I could agree that Billy Joe dominated the first half with regard to amount of winning rounds but not dominating any single round. I watched the first round and even that could have gone to Eubank.

Maybe everyones perception of what Eubank was going to do didn't match how he fought the first few rounds because at time he out jabbed Billy, landed nice rights to the gut.

I definitely do no not believe Eubank should have a loss on his record for this now and a third of the judges agreed with me. One things for sure, Eubank has so much more scope to improve whereas Billy has been in boxing for a long time now and is as good as he's going to get.

Any rematch will be massive and Eubank wins!

[beenKOed]

Eubank won.

Its such a shame he has to live with a loss now but if they do rematch Chris will start where he left off. More relaxed and letting his hands go in combinations.

Saunders maybe won two rounds after the 4th. He lost the 5th and 6th and 12th for sure. It should have been a draw if anything.

Man, you are a strange one, everything you say about your favorites is now suspect. You can't be trusted!

[ross]

Eubank won.

Its such a shame he has to live with a loss now but if they do rematch Chris will start where he left off. More relaxed and letting his hands go in combinations.

Saunders maybe won two rounds after the 4th. He lost the 5th and 6th and 12th for sure. It should have been a draw if anything.

Man, you are a strange one, everything you say about your favorites is now suspect. You can't be trusted!

What the fuck are you on about?

One of the judges gave it to Eubank and it was by a bigger margin than the others gave it to Saunders by.

[Dark Lord Al]

Eubank won.

Its such a shame he has to live with a loss now but if they do rematch Chris will start where he left off. More relaxed and letting his hands go in combinations.

Saunders maybe won two rounds after the 4th. He lost the 5th and 6th and 12th for sure. It should have been a draw if anything.

Man, you are a strange one, everything you say about your favorites is now suspect. You can't be trusted!

What the fuck are you on about?

One of the judges gave it to Eubank and it was by a bigger margin than the others gave it to Saunders by.

Doesn't matter if one judge gave Eubank every round the other two didn't agree . so he lost.

[nuggetdotcom]

ross - I hate Eubank jr so much that - in this very thread i've said that a draw was possible, even though virtually everyone else thought he lost, and that Jr would win a rematch.

I don't think Hopkins beat Calzaghe. I was using it as an example to show why your theory about split decisions was stupid. And you've proved it straight away. The fighter you supported - Eubank jr - didn't deserve to lose because it was SD. But Calzaghe, the fighter you supported against Hopkins, deserved his SD win because you don't agree with the judge that scored against him. Can't you see how silly that is?

Put this in your pipe - Jimmy Tibbs has never trained a fighter to beat one Ronnie Davies trains (you didn't even know the fights but I know at least three). Billy Joe is too small. Eubank's lack of experience doesn't matter because he batters "world-class" sparring partners. Trot.

Fen,

Seems like we're opposites.

I normally win money on boxing and your prediction record is atrocious.

You hate the Eu's, for reasons you have not shared with us, I hate Calzaghe, because he cancelled a fight with Glen Johnson at late notice because he had ' a bad back' the real reason is that he was banged up on a saturday night for bashing his then wife.

Glen Johnson is a quality fighter, he lost £100k in travel and training expenses because of Calzaghes bad back, he then went on to beat an ageing Roy Jones, before Calslappy did.

So, we all have our own biases in fights, for various reasons.

Nevertheless I agree with you, we cant argue sensiblly that EU was a winner, only that he turned up late!

Come again?

You win money on boxing?

Fenster's prediction record is rubbish?

Calzaghe? Johnson? Roy? Bad Backs? Bashed up wives?



Lets start again with - what gives you the impression that I hate Eubank or his son? I've never said anything other than snr was a great fighter and jr is a top prospect.

Yeh. start again fen, I mistook you for a EU hater, my mistake too many posts and missing the detail. However you can deffo put me down as a calzaghe non beleiver, the wives thing is well known, ask sheffield