Creation and evolution aside,

[luvfightgame]

How can I be angry at something that doesn't exist.

You have a god because you are mentally weak.

Oh, so you are too tough for God.....

You don't know me to be able to make a judgement about my strength. I doubt if you did you would make that statement, physically or mentally.

[raleights]

I still say F*** god at this point - but to each his own and I don't look down on anyone who has faith in a superior being

But if you've NEVER questioned it, you are a sheeple which is worse than being the devil himself (http://www.sheeple.net!)

I've definitely questioned it. I once held similiar opinions to yours. I think you are blaming God for what should be blamed on the devil. Did you realize names have meanings? Satan means deceiver, or liar. The devil is referenced by several different names in the Bible and each one has a significant meaning. Mainly- liar, deciever, ensnarer, murderer, theif.

By the way it is very debatable whether life is being extended. According to the Bible pre flood humans lived to be 900+ years. God set the limit of 120 years after the flood and there are reports of many people in ancient times living 100+ years. Right now we are averaging 70. Is that higher or lower than 900?

Yeah mate but the bible also said some guy walked on water and cured blind people Dont see that happening these days lol . (i only know these facts coz they are widely known, ive never read the bible). Ramses the second live (Ramses the great) lived to 97 yrs old but thats only coz he was treated like a god. Just like the queen and that is today, they will do anything to make them survive. Ramses the great is also supposedly the pharaoh moses told to free his people but i dont believe there is any record of Ramses witnessing or making any mention of it or seeing a guy split a sea in half. If you want to believe in god then why is it that all religion is not the same? If it was certain there was so much evidence pointing to a god then wouldnt everyone believe in it? Instead you got a whole lot of different religions and people like the egyptians believed in way more then one. I believe they had a god for everything and different levels of gods eg state gods, national, local...kind of thing, kind of like government really.

First the guy the Bible says walked on water and cured blind people claims to be the creator of the universe that left heaven to live as a man. That would definitely be why you don't see that today. Now whether you believe that is true is a different matter, but the claim is that God Himself did those things.
Many people we can prove from history have lived to be 100+ years. There hasn't been any improvement in our lifespans. Actually now a days people are heavily medicated by the time they get to 60 if they go see doctors regularly.

Again every society of humans throughout history believed in a God or gods. That should support the existence of a God. Even in remote tribes in the jungle, they believe in some form of God. Now the reason for multiple gods, is that there are many creatures that are higher than men. There are angels, demons, and other spirits that interact with humans and men worship them. Everyone believes in a God until they are trained not too.

I don't see how the ignorance of other primitive cultures supports existence of god - just existence of primitive cultures

It means they believe what they wanna believe, just like I wanna believe my penis is the biggest one on this forum but it's probably not (not with emma present!)

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just like I wanna believe my penis is the biggest one on this forum but it's probably not (not with emma present!)

hahahahahahah - bring the whole metaphysical debate back down to my level.

[Fenster]

OK then - I was having a poke at everyone who spent pages and pages of threads on this subject (and also the one about creationism v evolution). You were part of it, so I guess I did refer to you as well.

It is all a bit tedious - people with half-baked ideas, others who proceed with unshakeable faith, some who try and dress it up with flawed 'science' and all the rest of it. It is all toe-curlingly earnest - people posting up snippets of information that they have learnt form disreputable sources and then not fully understood.... and all this being seriously presented as the answer to the greatest question in the Unverse (along with a healthy yet truly geekish sense of conspiracy theories, and Da Vinci Code-style stupidity)

And, before you react - I know that I didn't have to enter the thread or post anything. I know that I do not know any of the answers to these questions. I also know that one fo the primary manifestations of religious fascism is a lack of a sense of irony or humour.

Sorry - but you did ask.

You think I don't sense irony or humor? I sense it just fine, you're just not very funny. I am not offended by anyones comments in this discussion. I think it is very ironic and actually moronic for people to claim they have facts which they have never verified, but accept by faith, then poke fun of others who admit they only have faith.

It's not me getting my panties in a bunch, you and missy, and fenster, throw the 2 sentence snide and insulting comments around. It's a discussion that I would rather spend time on than another prime for prime tyson vs superman. You know that after reading here for awhile you get those out of your system, and you don't get involved in those anymore. I just haven't gotten this one out yet.

If i called you a moronic, gullible, lunatic, c***. That would be an insult.

I ask questions. Sorry if they upset you.

It must be the Atheist religion

You don't upset me fen, but you know darn well you make cynical and snide comments. I apologize for saying 2 sentences, you average 3.

Probably cause i'm a cynical cunt. It's true.

It doesn't take many sentences when you're using common sense.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

How can I be angry at something that doesn't exist.

You have a god because you are mentally weak.

Oh, so you are too tough for God.....

You don't know me to be able to make a judgement about my strength. I doubt if you did you would make that statement, physically or mentally.

I can and you're a spacker.

[Gandalf]

I dont just accept opinions without facts to back them up. Its just the way I am.

That is very reasonable, and in theory I believe you. Lets look at what you do believe now that you've told us what you don't believe.

Big bang theory?
Evolution meaning change in species, not change within a species?

So where are the facts to support the existence of your "god"? First of all define what you mean by god and then show me the facts to support the existence of god. The Bible proves the existence of god in exactly the same way as the Lord of the Rings books proves the existence of Sauron. It doesnt convince me in the slightest. If you can convince me otherwise then im all ears...

[raleights]

Technically god does exist, but I doubt you brits care to worship Gary Busey

[Gandalf]

Technically god does exist, but I doubt you brits care to worship Gary Busey

Who in god's name is Gary Busey?

I feel a google search coming on....could this be the elusive eternal omnipresent dude of all dudes and dudettes??

[luvfightgame]

How can I be angry at something that doesn't exist.

You have a god because you are mentally weak.

Oh, so you are too tough for God.....

You don't know me to be able to make a judgement about my strength. I doubt if you did you would make that statement, physically or mentally.

I can and you're a spacker.

I don't know what that is................ Anyway think what you want, but it isn't out of weakness. I don't need to present my resume to support my beliefs, but trust me nobody has ever called me weak. Asshole, prick, too aggressive, thickheaded, plenty of names to toss at me, but not once have I ever been called weak.

Never been called a fag either, why do they call you that??

[luvfightgame]

OK then - I was having a poke at everyone who spent pages and pages of threads on this subject (and also the one about creationism v evolution). You were part of it, so I guess I did refer to you as well.

It is all a bit tedious - people with half-baked ideas, others who proceed with unshakeable faith, some who try and dress it up with flawed 'science' and all the rest of it. It is all toe-curlingly earnest - people posting up snippets of information that they have learnt form disreputable sources and then not fully understood.... and all this being seriously presented as the answer to the greatest question in the Unverse (along with a healthy yet truly geekish sense of conspiracy theories, and Da Vinci Code-style stupidity)

And, before you react - I know that I didn't have to enter the thread or post anything. I know that I do not know any of the answers to these questions. I also know that one fo the primary manifestations of religious fascism is a lack of a sense of irony or humour.

Sorry - but you did ask.

You think I don't sense irony or humor? I sense it just fine, you're just not very funny. I am not offended by anyones comments in this discussion. I think it is very ironic and actually moronic for people to claim they have facts which they have never verified, but accept by faith, then poke fun of others who admit they only have faith.

It's not me getting my panties in a bunch, you and missy, and fenster, throw the 2 sentence snide and insulting comments around. It's a discussion that I would rather spend time on than another prime for prime tyson vs superman. You know that after reading here for awhile you get those out of your system, and you don't get involved in those anymore. I just haven't gotten this one out yet.

If i called you a moronic, gullible, lunatic, c***. That would be an insult.

I ask questions. Sorry if they upset you.

It must be the Atheist religion

You don't upset me fen, but you know darn well you make cynical and snide comments. I apologize for saying 2 sentences, you average 3.

Probably cause i'm a cynical c***. It's true.

It doesn't take many sentences when you're using common sense.

Now that we agree. Your a cock, i'm a nutcase, and we both like to keep our posts short.....

And emma's cock is definitely bigger than Ralieghts.

[raleights]

Technically god does exist, but I doubt you brits care to worship Gary Busey

Who in god's name is Gary Busey?

I feel a google search coming on....could this be the elusive eternal omnipresent dude of all dudes and dudettes??

You gotta stop watching Korean TV

[luvfightgame]

I dont just accept opinions without facts to back them up. Its just the way I am.

That is very reasonable, and in theory I believe you. Lets look at what you do believe now that you've told us what you don't believe.

Big bang theory?
Evolution meaning change in species, not change within a species?

So where are the facts to support the existence of your "god"? First of all define what you mean by god and then show me the facts to support the existence of god. The Bible proves the existence of god in exactly the same way as the Lord of the Rings books proves the existence of Sauron. It doesnt convince me in the slightest. If you can convince me otherwise then im all ears...

Well you didn't answer my 2 questions, but here goes.
I define God as the originator of all things. Everything that we see and don't see was made by the creator. That's my definition for this discussion. Facts to support the existence of a creator are everything that you see in your daily life. Highly complex, self repairing, self replicating life forms. You don't believe that the computer your typing on sprang into existence by random chance, why would you think humans did when they are literally hundreds of times more complex than your computer?
Your turn.

Do you believe in the big bang theory?
Do you believe in evolution as change in species?

[raleights]

Luv, I dig your enthusiasm and I don't expect you to reflect on what you've posted and think to yourself ok I sound like a brainwashed lunatic..

But you should atleast be self-aware, understand that you're coming off as a complete know-it-all

The one thing you should know is that you're a human, and you don't know S***. It's the one thing that binds us all - you have an idea of how we came to be and thats as far as it goes. There's no more that can be said on the subject. Your opinions frighten me and many others on this forum (despite the fact that I know kung fu!) but thats just where we agree to disagree.

It's important that you know yourself, these are just ideas you believe strongly in (which is fine) not actual facts. So it's useless to keep drilling us with the 'idea' that we're all connected, when in reality the only thing that connects us is the internet that WE created

[Gandalf]

Technically god does exist, but I doubt you brits care to worship Gary Busey

Who in god's name is Gary Busey?

I feel a google search coming on....could this be the elusive eternal omnipresent dude of all dudes and dudettes??

You gotta stop watching Korean TV

Hahaha ....too gotdam right!!

Ive just returned back here after a lovely 10 days back home. The amount of time I wasted watching crap daytime TV was just fantastic. And I actually understood what the feck they were talking about. They were talking rubbish half the time, but being able to understand the television is an absolute delight!!

[luvfightgame]

Luv, I dig your enthusiasm and I don't expect you to reflect on what you've posted and think to yourself ok I sound like a brainwashed lunatic..

But you should atleast be self-aware, understand that you're coming off as a complete know-it-all

The one thing you should know is that you're a human, and you don't know S***. It's the one thing that binds us all - you have an idea of how we came to be and thats as far as it goes. There's no more that can be said on the subject. Your opinions frighten me and many others on this forum (despite the fact that I know kung fu!) but thats just where we agree to disagree.

It's important that you know yourself, these are just ideas you believe strongly in (which is fine) not actual facts. So it's useless to keep drilling us with the 'idea' that we're all connected, when in reality the only thing that connects us is the internet that WE created

I haven't even started recruiting for the new compound we are building!!!!

Seriously though, I really am not uptight about this stuff. I couldn't agree with you more that we are human and don't know shit. It's why I don't believe everything that is presented as "SCIENCE". I think I have stated a few times that I have faith that the Bible is true, not evidence. I also think the only evidence I have claimed to have is that evolution is NOT true. I have never said you should believe my story, but don't think that evolution is fact based, cause it's not. Most people have commented about what I believe without presenting there own beliefs. Kung fu??Don't make me open up a can of whoop on ya!!!!