How does Mayweather Jr do against some past greats?

[Taeth]

also Ali was a very small heavyweight considering his height... He was a natural lightheavyweight/cruiserwieght, and he wasn't very fast compared to Jones.

[ICB]

If what was the case? ANd if you look back there haven't been very many really fast hw's besides Ali, and more recently like Tyson, Lewis(For his size), Byrd(who has faster hands than Ali did), etc.

yes but none of hws are fast there is atleast one hw with fast hands atleast in one era there is none in this one so far

[El Kabong]

Just thinking that Robinson was amazingly fast shows that you have no idea that the speed of a boxing fight has changed... Robinson would not be exceptionally fast by todays standers, and just by saying I don't know jack shit about Robinson doesn't change fact that I have watched his fights, and I do know which punch he actually used to knock FUllmer out. Duran didn't make everyone brawl with him... watch Leonard II, and you'll see that he didn't brawl, and also Mayweather is a smarter fighter than Leonard who doesn't try to prove himself when he knows he can't win a certain way. And also we have no idea how hard Castillo, Judah, Corrales hit in comparison to the guys of old... Corrales would weigh in at super featherweight at the same weight Hearns would way in at 147, and Castillo could have easily ocme in at lightweight over 150 if he was allowed... THese guys are strong, big, guys who are probably stronger Leonard, and definitely Hearns. Besides be caught by suprised against Corley Mayweather hasn't been hurt by punch, and even in that fight he came back immediately which shows it was probably more of a stunning shot than one that actually hurt him.

I'm just not drunk with the skill of Floyd Mayweather Jr dude....I'm not saying he's not special but he's no great because running like a coward doesn't make a great fighter.

Yeah I've seen Leonard-Duran II....funny how Ray needed an ass whipping to change his style up.

But that being said Ray was still more active vs Duran in the rematch than Floyd was vs Baldomir....tell me who was more dangerous?

Floyd is a chicken and only now is he stepping up to someone great NOW in what he says is the tail end of his career.

The way you disgrace Ray Robinson is ridiculous....he had the best over everything and stood up to anyone willing to fight him and had to move up to middleweight to get a title...Floyd Mayweather Jr. was handed his titles and HAS NEVER EVER EVER IN HIS CAREER BEEN THE UNIFIED UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF ANY DIVISION....think about that and tell me how great he is again

JLC and Chico would get the absolute shit beat out of them if they fought Duran, Hearns, Robinson or any of the greats

[El Kabong]

also Ali was a very small heavyweight considering his height... He was a natural lightheavyweight/cruiserwieght, and he wasn't very fast compared to Jones.

I declare Shennanigans on that!....Do you accept the shennanigans

[tedsares]

Just thinking that Robinson was amazingly fast shows that you have no idea that the speed of a boxing fight has changed... Robinson would not be exceptionally fast by todays standers, and just by saying I don't know jack S*** about Robinson doesn't change fact that I have watched his fights, and I do know which punch he actually used to knock FUllmer out. Duran didn't make everyone brawl with him... watch Leonard II, and you'll see that he didn't brawl, and also Mayweather is a smarter fighter than Leonard who doesn't try to prove himself when he knows he can't win a certain way. And also we have no idea how hard Castillo, Judah, Corrales hit in comparison to the guys of old... Corrales would weigh in at super featherweight at the same weight Hearns would way in at 147, and Castillo could have easily ocme in at lightweight over 150 if he was allowed... THese guys are strong, big, guys who are probably stronger Leonard, and definitely Hearns. Besides be caught by suprised against Corley Mayweather hasn't been hurt by punch, and even in that fight he came back immediately which shows it was probably more of a stunning shot than one that actually hurt him.

I'm just not drunk with the skill of Floyd Mayweather Jr dude....I'm not saying he's not special but he's no great because running like a coward doesn't make a great fighter.

Yeah I've seen Leonard-Duran II....funny how Ray needed an a** whipping to change his style up.

But that being said Ray was still more active vs Duran in the rematch than Floyd was vs Baldomir....tell me who was more dangerous?

Floyd is a chicken and only now is he stepping up to someone great NOW in what he says is the tail end of his career.

The way you disgrace Ray Robinson is ridiculous....he had the best over everything and stood up to anyone willing to fight him and had to move up to middleweight to get a title...Floyd Mayweather Jr. was handed his titles and HAS NEVER EVER EVER IN HIS CAREER BEEN THE UNIFIED UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF ANY DIVISION....think about that and tell me how great he is again

"JLC and Chico would get the absolute S*** beat out of them if they fought Duran, Hearns, Robinson or any of the greats"

Could well be.

[tedsares]

I see the fury of Salvador “Chava” Sanchez overwhelming Mayweather in a close but exciting fight. Floyd has never been in with anyone like this before. His speed and footwork combined with heavy hands will tire Floyd and he will need to hold on until the bell mercifully rings for the 15th round ending the fight. He offers no protest as the decision is announced. It is Floyd’s first loss and he takes it well, knowing that he has been in the ring with a legend.....one with incredible energy and stamina that sustains his attack for the full 15 rounds.

I also see Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez giving PBF fits with his different styles and bolo punch, but sooner or later Floyd will figure him out, but just barely. With a stick and move strategy, Pretty Boy wins a close split decision that is a tactical treat for boxing purists to watch but one lacking in furious exchanges or an abundance of excitement.

Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles gives Mayweather a brutal beating in the early part of the fight, but Floyd, bruised, cut and spitting blood, rallies and shows heart as he surprisingly engages in a give and take brawl with the rough Napoles. Floyd shows "Mantequilla" that he is no Curtis Cokes or Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez. He takes control of the fight finally cornering Napoles in the 13th round. With an incredible number of hard and unanswered shots, the referee has no alternative but to halt the action.. PBF is declared a TKO winner in perhaps his career defining fight.

How about these three?

[RozzySean]

also Ali was a very small heavyweight considering his height... He was a natural lightheavyweight/cruiserwieght, and he wasn't very fast compared to Jones.

Not by the standards of his time. Almost no heavyweights are the size of todays heavyweights. He outweighed or equalled almost all of his opponents, ex Forman and Mathis. Liston-era Ali had 95% of the speed of Jones and 120% of the skill.

[Taeth]

Just thinking that Robinson was amazingly fast shows that you have no idea that the speed of a boxing fight has changed... Robinson would not be exceptionally fast by todays standers, and just by saying I don't know jack S*** about Robinson doesn't change fact that I have watched his fights, and I do know which punch he actually used to knock FUllmer out. Duran didn't make everyone brawl with him... watch Leonard II, and you'll see that he didn't brawl, and also Mayweather is a smarter fighter than Leonard who doesn't try to prove himself when he knows he can't win a certain way. And also we have no idea how hard Castillo, Judah, Corrales hit in comparison to the guys of old... Corrales would weigh in at super featherweight at the same weight Hearns would way in at 147, and Castillo could have easily ocme in at lightweight over 150 if he was allowed... THese guys are strong, big, guys who are probably stronger Leonard, and definitely Hearns. Besides be caught by suprised against Corley Mayweather hasn't been hurt by punch, and even in that fight he came back immediately which shows it was probably more of a stunning shot than one that actually hurt him.

I'm just not drunk with the skill of Floyd Mayweather Jr dude....I'm not saying he's not special but he's no great because running like a coward doesn't make a great fighter.

Yeah I've seen Leonard-Duran II....funny how Ray needed an a** whipping to change his style up.

But that being said Ray was still more active vs Duran in the rematch than Floyd was vs Baldomir....tell me who was more dangerous?

Floyd is a chicken and only now is he stepping up to someone great NOW in what he says is the tail end of his career.

The way you disgrace Ray Robinson is ridiculous....he had the best over everything and stood up to anyone willing to fight him and had to move up to middleweight to get a title...Floyd Mayweather Jr. was handed his titles and HAS NEVER EVER EVER IN HIS CAREER BEEN THE UNIFIED UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF ANY DIVISION....think about that and tell me how great he is again

JLC and Chico would get the absolute S*** beat out of them if they fought Duran, Hearns, Robinson or any of the greats

He has been the ring champion, and he has foughten good fighters... and watch the punch count for Mayweather vs. Baldomir through eight rounds then watch Leonard-DUran 2.... Mayweather does throw more punches. The only time Leonard really threw punches was when Duran trapped him against the ropes.

[frozensolid_702]

Just thinking that Robinson was amazingly fast shows that you have no idea that the speed of a boxing fight has changed... Robinson would not be exceptionally fast by todays standers, and just by saying I don't know jack S*** about Robinson doesn't change fact that I have watched his fights, and I do know which punch he actually used to knock FUllmer out. Duran didn't make everyone brawl with him... watch Leonard II, and you'll see that he didn't brawl, and also Mayweather is a smarter fighter than Leonard who doesn't try to prove himself when he knows he can't win a certain way. And also we have no idea how hard Castillo, Judah, Corrales hit in comparison to the guys of old... Corrales would weigh in at super featherweight at the same weight Hearns would way in at 147, and Castillo could have easily ocme in at lightweight over 150 if he was allowed... THese guys are strong, big, guys who are probably stronger Leonard, and definitely Hearns. Besides be caught by suprised against Corley Mayweather hasn't been hurt by punch, and even in that fight he came back immediately which shows it was probably more of a stunning shot than one that actually hurt him.

I'm just not drunk with the skill of Floyd Mayweather Jr dude....I'm not saying he's not special but he's no great because running like a coward doesn't make a great fighter.

Yeah I've seen Leonard-Duran II....funny how Ray needed an a** whipping to change his style up.

But that being said Ray was still more active vs Duran in the rematch than Floyd was vs Baldomir....tell me who was more dangerous?

Floyd is a chicken and only now is he stepping up to someone great NOW in what he says is the tail end of his career.

The way you disgrace Ray Robinson is ridiculous....he had the best over everything and stood up to anyone willing to fight him and had to move up to middleweight to get a title...Floyd Mayweather Jr. was handed his titles and HAS NEVER EVER EVER IN HIS CAREER BEEN THE UNIFIED UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF ANY DIVISION....think about that and tell me how great he is again

JLC and Chico would get the absolute S*** beat out of them if they fought Duran, Hearns, Robinson or any of the greats

#1) as you type that post, he just so happens to be undisputed champion of the world at WELTERWEIGHT


#2) imo the first fight with jlc is the only thing that comes close to a mayweather loss and i had it a very close fight with pbf up by 1 round. (far from a robbey on either end) and i guess you missed the chico vs. mayweather fight, because that was an absolutely flawless win for floyd

[RozzySean]

Against Fullmer, Robinson was on the back end, far back end, of a very long, very active career, and that was a middleweight fight. A prime Robinson at 147 twice the speed as the version who fought Fullmer.

[tedsares]

Against Fullmer, Robinson was on the back end, far back end, of a very long, very active career, and that was a middleweight fight. A prime Robinson at 147 twice the speed as the version who fought Fullmer.

WhICH MADE HIS VICTORY ALL THAT MORE REMARKABLE.

[lb4lb]

Just thinking that Robinson was amazingly fast shows that you have no idea that the speed of a boxing fight has changed... Robinson would not be exceptionally fast by todays standers, and just by saying I don't know jack S*** about Robinson doesn't change fact that I have watched his fights, and I do know which punch he actually used to knock FUllmer out. Duran didn't make everyone brawl with him... watch Leonard II, and you'll see that he didn't brawl, and also Mayweather is a smarter fighter than Leonard who doesn't try to prove himself when he knows he can't win a certain way. And also we have no idea how hard Castillo, Judah, Corrales hit in comparison to the guys of old... Corrales would weigh in at super featherweight at the same weight Hearns would way in at 147, and Castillo could have easily ocme in at lightweight over 150 if he was allowed... THese guys are strong, big, guys who are probably stronger Leonard, and definitely Hearns. Besides be caught by suprised against Corley Mayweather hasn't been hurt by punch, and even in that fight he came back immediately which shows it was probably more of a stunning shot than one that actually hurt him.

I'm just not drunk with the skill of Floyd Mayweather Jr dude....I'm not saying he's not special but he's no great because running like a coward doesn't make a great fighter.

Yeah I've seen Leonard-Duran II....funny how Ray needed an a** whipping to change his style up.

But that being said Ray was still more active vs Duran in the rematch than Floyd was vs Baldomir....tell me who was more dangerous?

Floyd is a chicken and only now is he stepping up to someone great NOW in what he says is the tail end of his career.

The way you disgrace Ray Robinson is ridiculous....he had the best over everything and stood up to anyone willing to fight him and had to move up to middleweight to get a title...Floyd Mayweather Jr. was handed his titles and HAS NEVER EVER EVER IN HIS CAREER BEEN THE UNIFIED UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF ANY DIVISION....think about that and tell me how great he is again

JLC and Chico would get the absolute S*** beat out of them if they fought Duran, Hearns, Robinson or any of the greats

#1) as you type that post, he just so happens to be undisputed champion of the world at WELTERWEIGHT


#2) imo the first fight with jlc is the only thing that comes close to a mayweather loss and i had it a very close fight with pbf up by 1 round. (far from a robbey on either end) and i guess you missed the chico vs. mayweather fight, because that was an absolutely flawless win for floyd

Just curious of your take on the initial post... How does Mayweather Jr do against some past greats?

[tedsares]

Sugar Ray Robinson. 175 - 19 - 6- 2 with 109 ko's. In a career that spanned three decades, Sugar Ray embodied the essence of the sweet science. He was a world welterweight champion and held the middleweight title five times. Incredibly, he was so great for so long that he won his first Fighter of the Year award in 1942 and his second award in 1951. Talk about book ends! The fact I don't have to say much says it all.

[Taeth]

I am not saying Robinson wasn't good, I am saying his opponents weren't very good. They had good records, but for the most part he was in a weak era... put Lamotta in the middleweight division in the 80's or early 90's or Fullmer, or Basillio and they would have all been whooped. Also people saying Robinson was too big for Mayweather? He weighed in for most of his middleweight fights at welterweight, and if he wasn't such a superior athlete to the guys he fought he wouldn't have won as many times. All he did was fight a bunch of really tough guys that had limited talent, but were too tough for a fighter who wasn't extraordinary.

[X]

I'm with Lyle on this one Taeth - if you have been watching Robinson, you can't have appreciated what you were seeing.

Also - Ali, a natural cruiserweight? - 6'3" and 220lbs in his prime, 250lbs later on, bigger than nearly every fighter he ever fought? Rubbish, mate.