Valuev he ain't no joke!

[Punisher136]

sheeeeeeeeeeet mate.. they all bums... snuff queens ! couldn’t brake a sack a S***. the most padded record in the history of the HW division belongs to Valuve...and in that padded S*** record he has had several gift dec thus he really has some losses in there . always fighting in that hometown gift decision bullshit .. Germany is the worst. Jesus.. Its like the whole country is New Jersey crocked as a mutherfucker ! . . S***.. lets get real !!! Cool click by the way, I don't mean to sound like an asshole.. I have had one to many screwdrivers !

So far i'd say yes but probably the all-time best padded record is don steele's (his win/ko ratio is a joke). As for valuev he is definitely a joke. All he has is his own hugeness as an advantage. He has fought nothing but bums. And don't try to play the game where you take one of valuev's opponents and connect the dots to make them seem some what legit. Oh his opponent beat this guy who split with this guy and he got ktfo by an ok fighter there for hes not a total bum. Wtf is that!?

Well how the hell else CAN you compare a guy??
real his F#CKIN tea leaves?
Ya look at the guy and who he fought and how he did.
really!! what the f#ck else is there?? Am i missing something here?

Obviously that's how you compare fighters, i wasn't saying not to look as his opponents. I meant for it to be interpreted as don't try and play up his competition because no one he's ever fought was really good. Ruiz is ruiz. Monte and Beck deserve title shots!? Someone used ray austin as a measuring stick for somebody else and i hate to break it to you but the only thing that stick measures is shit.

[landmine950]

Love,Love,Love the site. when it goes like this!
Thanx to all the great posters who take the time and effort to offer up a opinion and express their thoughts! Many Thanx!
Good work Wacko!! too funny. but its really not fair the way you argue with people! you have an unfair advantage 'cuz you keep using dirty tactics by bringing up all those annoying facts! lol!

Thanx Lords Gym for the Peter clip! makes ya think!!
Again REALLY enjoyed all the discussion!

[landmine950]

he is big. thats about it, he barley be ruiz..... that says alot!

I agree completely !! It does say a LOT!!
Now (with appologies to punisher136)

Valuev beat Ruiz 116-113,114-114,116-114, a majority decision

Ruslan Chagaev JUST (i mean recently and barely) beat Ruiz
116-112,114-115,117-111 a split decision

So Valuev beat Ruiz, worse! than Chagaev did!!!
So if Valuev is a fraud,joke,oaf,piece of sh1t then Chagaev must be a bigger one. Keep in mind Chagaev is the current #1 WBA contender and holds the WBO Asia Pacific & Inter-Continental Champion & the WBA Inter-Continental Champion

Lets look back at the most recent Ruiz fights JUST before Valuev.

If you think all these guys are all Bums or crap fighters or whatever, please don't read on or respond,....your an idiot

James Toney beat ruiz 116-111,116-111 and 115-112 about the same as Valuev

Andrew Golota LOST 111-114,112-113,111-114. So we could "infer?"
that Valuev's better than Golota??
Golota's not all that, but he is a big strong Uke with a good jab and decent power. Kinda like a "dumbed down" Oleg Maskaev??

Fres Oquendo- I wont even bother Ruiz ko'd him in one so obviously Valuev would kill him

Hasim Rahman LOST to Ruiz UD 110-118,114-115,112-116 a bigger margin
than Valuev had over Ruiz! conclusion?? you tell me....

He's not a fraud,a freak (well ok he is a freak),a phony,an oaf (well ya i guess he's kinda an oaf..) well I'll say this much!!

VALUEV AIN"T NO JOKE!!!

[Punisher136]

Score cards are just other peoples opinions of who won what round. Some people give an edge to very good technical fighters and others give boxers rounds where they swung wildly and barely connected with anything. The subject says that valuev isn't a joke. Let's take out the questionable competition factor.

The man is over 7 feet tall. His best asset isn't his speed, strength, agility, or even technique, it is his size. Most heavyweights straight right would be considered a low blow. He's been affected by guys that aren't power punchers. If someone didn't have to throw mike tyson's punch-out style star punches at him just to connect, he would be beat easily. After boxing he will be studied thoroughly and, after much debate, be labeled as the missing link. The frequency of his voice will later be dubbed as the lowest pitch audible to the human ear. He will undoubtedly be remembered as a historically significant figure, but not in boxing.

[landmine950]

Score cards are just other peoples opinions of who won what round. Some people give an edge to very good technical fighters and others give boxers rounds where they swung wildly and barely connected with anything. The subject says that valuev isn't a joke. Let's take out the questionable competition factor.

The man is over 7 feet tall. His best asset isn't his speed, strength, agility, or even technique, it is his size. Most heavyweights straight right would be considered a low blow. He's been affected by guys that aren't power punchers. If someone didn't have to throw mike tyson's punch-out style star punches at him just to connect, he would be beat easily. After boxing he will be studied thoroughly and, after much debate, be labeled as the missing link. The frequency of his voice will later be dubbed as the lowest pitch audible to the human ear. He will undoubtedly be remembered as a historically significant figure, but not in boxing.

He Speaks THE MONSTER SPEAKS!!


He Does quite a few things pretty good.
Good punch output.
Good power
Good Chin (so far)
Great reach which he doesnt use very effectively
and he has shown a decent straight (ish) right hand
doesnt get gassed.
and from a entertainment perspective he's not afraid to stand and mix it up inside. If you get inside , he doesnt care!
You can't say "well if you didnt have to this or that against him he'd be no good" cuz...well cuz you do!
It's kinda like saying that if wlad wasnt tall and strong and fast and sharp and technical and conditioned he'd be a sh1tty fighter and anyone could beat him!!

What if.....he gets a 49-0 record?? and maybe beats say....Briggs. to gain a second belt?? A legit Champion??
What then Historical significance then with Don KINK as his promoter? THINK about that!!!

[Punisher136]

Score cards are just other peoples opinions of who won what round. Some people give an edge to very good technical fighters and others give boxers rounds where they swung wildly and barely connected with anything. The subject says that valuev isn't a joke. Let's take out the questionable competition factor.

The man is over 7 feet tall. His best asset isn't his speed, strength, agility, or even technique, it is his size. Most heavyweights straight right would be considered a low blow. He's been affected by guys that aren't power punchers. If someone didn't have to throw mike tyson's punch-out style star punches at him just to connect, he would be beat easily. After boxing he will be studied thoroughly and, after much debate, be labeled as the missing link. The frequency of his voice will later be dubbed as the lowest pitch audible to the human ear. He will undoubtedly be remembered as a historically significant figure, but not in boxing.

He Speaks THE MONSTER SPEAKS!!


He Does quite a few things pretty good.
Good punch output.
Good power
Good Chin (so far)
Great reach which he doesnt use very effectively
and he has shown a decent straight (ish) right hand
doesnt get gassed.
and from a entertainment perspective he's not afraid to stand and mix it up inside. If you get inside , he doesnt care!
You can't say "well if you didnt have to this or that against him he'd be no good" cuz...well cuz you do!
It's kinda like saying that if wlad wasnt tall and strong and fast and sharp and technical and conditioned he'd be a sh1tty fighter and anyone could beat him!!

What if.....he gets a 49-0 record?? and maybe beats say....Briggs. to gain a second belt?? A legit Champion??
What then Historical significance then with Don KINK as his promoter? THINK about that!!!

If wlad was shorter say 6'2 he'd still be an alright fighter (this coming from a wlad semi-hater). His jab would still be effective and he'd still have a nasty right. If valuev was 6'2 he'd be absolute crap. Him being considered a super champ for getting a gift decision against ruiz and beating the wbo champ would make him a, you guessed it, joke.

[ICB]

he is big. thats about it, he barley be ruiz..... that says alot!

I agree completely !! It does say a LOT!!
Now (with appologies to punisher136)

Valuev beat Ruiz 116-113,114-114,116-114, a majority decision

Ruslan Chagaev JUST (i mean recently and barely) beat Ruiz
116-112,114-115,117-111 a split decision

So Valuev beat Ruiz, worse! than Chagaev did!!!
So if Valuev is a fraud,joke,oaf,piece of sh1t then Chagaev must be a bigger one. Keep in mind Chagaev is the current #1 WBA contender and holds the WBO Asia Pacific & Inter-Continental Champion & the WBA Inter-Continental Champion

Lets look back at the most recent Ruiz fights JUST before Valuev.

If you think all these guys are all Bums or crap fighters or whatever, please don't read on or respond,....your an idiot

James Toney beat ruiz 116-111,116-111 and 115-112 about the same as Valuev

Andrew Golota LOST 111-114,112-113,111-114. So we could "infer?"
that Valuev's better than Golota??
Golota's not all that, but he is a big strong Uke with a good jab and decent power. Kinda like a "dumbed down" Oleg Maskaev??

Fres Oquendo- I wont even bother Ruiz ko'd him in one so obviously Valuev would kill him

Hasim Rahman LOST to Ruiz UD 110-118,114-115,112-116 a bigger margin
than Valuev had over Ruiz! conclusion?? you tell me....

He's not a fraud,a freak (well ok he is a freak),a phony,an oaf (well ya i guess he's kinda an oaf..) well I'll say this much!!

VALUEV AIN"T NO JOKE!!!

someone on this site watched that fight and they said scorecards were completey wrong and ruslan easily beat ruiz golota got robbed by ruiz he floored him twice take a look at this my friend

* Ruiz down twice in the 2nd. Ruiz had one point deducted for hitting after the break.

Most observers had Golata winning.

he beat ruiz because he is like almost 1 foot taller lol and he is awkard and even that was controversial to who really won

[DaxxKahn]

he is big. thats about it, he barley be ruiz..... that says alot!

I agree completely !! It does say a LOT!!
Now (with appologies to punisher136)

Valuev beat Ruiz 116-113,114-114,116-114, a majority decision

Ruslan Chagaev JUST (i mean recently and barely) beat Ruiz
116-112,114-115,117-111 a split decision

So Valuev beat Ruiz, worse! than Chagaev did!!!
So if Valuev is a fraud,joke,oaf,piece of sh1t then Chagaev must be a bigger one. Keep in mind Chagaev is the current #1 WBA contender and holds the WBO Asia Pacific & Inter-Continental Champion & the WBA Inter-Continental Champion

Lets look back at the most recent Ruiz fights JUST before Valuev.

If you think all these guys are all Bums or crap fighters or whatever, please don't read on or respond,....your an idiot

James Toney beat ruiz 116-111,116-111 and 115-112 about the same as Valuev

Andrew Golota LOST 111-114,112-113,111-114. So we could "infer?"
that Valuev's better than Golota??
Golota's not all that, but he is a big strong Uke with a good jab and decent power. Kinda like a "dumbed down" Oleg Maskaev??

Fres Oquendo- I wont even bother Ruiz ko'd him in one so obviously Valuev would kill him

Hasim Rahman LOST to Ruiz UD 110-118,114-115,112-116 a bigger margin
than Valuev had over Ruiz! conclusion?? you tell me....

He's not a fraud,a freak (well ok he is a freak),a phony,an oaf (well ya i guess he's kinda an oaf..) well I'll say this much!!

VALUEV AIN"T NO JOKE!!!

someone on this site watched that fight and they said scorecards were completey wrong and ruslan easily beat ruiz golota got robbed by ruiz he floored him twice take a look at this my friend

* Ruiz down twice in the 2nd. Ruiz had one point deducted for hitting after the break.

Most observers had Golata winning.

he beat ruiz because he is like almost 1 foot taller lol and he is awkard and even that was controversial to who really won

IMO and that of many who saw the fight believe Ruiz won....

[spine_buster]

Yeah! Valuev ain't no joke. He's a decent heavyweight boxer.

[Wacko3205]

Yeah! Valuev ain't no joke. He's a decent heavyweight boxer.

Agreed.

The thing is...you really can't get away with saying that on this forum. To many haters that just won't give the guy a chance.

I don't see him as a world beater...but he could jump start the division & maybe even the sport again if he keeps on knocking m-fer's out.

[mikeb2677]

well, here's my take on it, for what it's worth. i think valuev is decent. is he the monster boxer that his build would lead you to believe? absolutely not. someone earlier mentioned that you can't base what happened in fights on the score cards because that's someone's opinion. well, that's exactly it . you may say ruiz beat valuev or so and so beat this guy, but that is your opinion. it is what it is. on any given night a panel of judges could award a fight to anybody, and remember that's how it is. more than one judge has to see it that way. yes, these controversial decisions kinda suck, but that's the way boxing is set up. all these boxers cry if they have a decision go against them, but proclaim to be the next big thing when one goes their way. personally, i would love to see the judges taken out of the mix. just have the fights set up to where the only way a fight can be won is by ko, tko, or if someone can't continue for medical reasons. if at the end of the fight there is no clear winner, then it gets recorded as a draw. that would surely clear things up. of course it would never happen because too many people would oppose it, but i think it might make things a bit more exciting, and might cause some of these guys to train harder and try and put on a better show.

[Lords Gym]

well, here's my take on it, for what it's worth. i think valuev is decent. is he the monster boxer that his build would lead you to believe? absolutely not. someone earlier mentioned that you can't base what happened in fights on the score cards because that's someone's opinion. well, that's exactly it . you may say ruiz beat valuev or so and so beat this guy, but that is your opinion. it is what it is. on any given night a panel of judges could award a fight to anybody, and remember that's how it is. more than one judge has to see it that way. yes, these controversial decisions kinda suck, but that's the way boxing is set up. all these boxers cry if they have a decision go against them, but proclaim to be the next big thing when one goes their way. personally, i would love to see the judges taken out of the mix. just have the fights set up to where the only way a fight can be won is by ko, tko, or if someone can't continue for medical reasons. if at the end of the fight there is no clear winner, then it gets recorded as a draw. that would surely clear things up. of course it would never happen because too many people would oppose it, but i think it might make things a bit more exciting, and might cause some of these guys to train harder and try and put on a better show.

The fact is some of those judges are taking the gift basket before the fight. some horrible oversight on the judges. flat criminal to be honest with yeah ! , Some of those judges are spot on !00% the fights prior to the controversial fight... Hell its very easy to see when the fix is in.. lots of times you will see score cards scratched thru and changed and all kinds of bullshit. I think they should do some undercover work and track the money trail ,just follow the corruption . Look at some things, like did a judges unemployed Nephew bet $50 grand on the fighter that won the controversial match. hang around and see if there is a pattern . This sport needs serious overhaul . Needs an over sight commission badly !

[mikeb2677]

oh, believe me, i do agree that there is definitely some shady judging going on. i hope that i wasn't coming across as saying i thought the judges did a wonderful job. i have definitely noticed too many fights where to judges have it a landslide win for one guy and the last judge has it a complete opposite score. i'll agree 100% that the sport needs to have some problems fixed. it's a shame that politics and poor management have taken a great sport and turned it into a soap opera. right now the only difference between boxing and wrestling is the fact that the fights are real.

[CutMeMick]

Title: Valuev he ain't no joke!



My answer: Yeah! he is.

[Lords Gym]

oh, believe me, i do agree that there is definitely some shady judging going on. i hope that i wasn't coming across as saying i thought the judges did a wonderful job. i have definitely noticed too many fights where to judges have it a landslide win for one guy and the last judge has it a complete opposite score. i'll agree 100% that the sport needs to have some problems fixed. it's a shame that politics and poor management have taken a great sport and turned it into a soap opera. right now the only difference between boxing and wrestling is the fact that the fights are real.

Cool Click # 3 !