Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate

[Kev]

Randy Couture = Olympic greco roman alternate
Yoshida = Olympic gold medalist in Judo
Mark Hunt = K1 grand prix champ
Fedor = sambo world champ
BJ Penn = BJJ world champion
Monson= Abu Dhabi world champion
just to name a few...do some HW monkey

Ooooooooooooo an alternate,and one of the least useful martial arts gold medalists
These guys do it for money,because there isnt as much coin in the others
Hey Kurt Engle won a gold,I guess TNA is legit too
Thats it damnit I demand a Jeff Jarrett/Bernard Hopkins fight
Sting/Klitschko it'll be the fight of the century

dont get mad b/c you made a baseless ignorant generalization and were shown to be incorrect
I used Randy b/c of his celebrity..
matt lindland is silver medalist wrestler and Dan henderson was an olympic wrestler, but with your disdain for MMA I would n't expect you to know them
Matt Hughes/Kevin Randleman/Mark Coleman were all NCAA champs and all american wrestlers as well.

Bilbo: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a type of submission wrestling

Keep making my point for me
If your skilled in a real discipline,youll annihilate UFC competition

Sorry but forgive me if I'm wrong but don't most amatuer boxers who win Olympic Gold usually go on to do pretty well in pro boxing as well?

You would EXPECT an Olympic level wrestler to do well in MMA seeing as he would base his game around that


By your logic pro boxing is dominated by a bunch of amatuer's who just happened to pick up medals in the Olympics

Theres alot of UFC Gold Medalists are there?
Oh wait

Your a moron, if MMA was an Olympic sport there would be just as many winners every 4 years as boxers, it's hard to win Gold medals when the sport you compete in isn't an Olympic event

My point is that Olympic medal winners from related disciplines HAVE gone on to do well in MMA. MMA is a young growing sport. It's only been in the last 5 years that it's really taken off but trust me, in the future you can virtually guarantee that future Olympic wrestling, judo and other related sports medal winners will be going on to pursue careers in MMA and then the talent pool will really take off.

Now why isnt it
I mean its such a great sport and all,youd think the committee would fall all over itself to raise it to the internationally recognised level of say,volleyball

The Olympics are held every 4 years Monkey, it takes time for new sports to be adopted into the games. I'm sure as the sport develops and an international set of fight rules and regulations is made standard there will be a call to make it an Olympic event.

[Trainer Monkey]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

[VictorCharlie]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

[Kev]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

Guys like Couture, Jackson, Silva, Henderson, Cro Cop, Emilianenko, Sakuraba and the Gracies are all top class athletes and immensely skilled in what they do.

Yes it started out more Tank Abbot than super skilled Jutitsu practictioners but it's getting better all the time.

The comments you make just do not make any sense.

Using simple logic, the quality of any sport depends entirely on the skill of the individuals who choose to participate in it. MMA is growing rapidly. With more and more world class martial artists being attracted to either the UFC, Pride or K1 wanting to earn the fame and the money that goes with it how can it possibly be full of unskilled fighters?

It's a logical absurdity.

On the other hand, you only need to look at the American boxingheavyweight scene to witness the dearth of talent around now due to the fact that many young athletes are choosing careers in pro football and basketball over boxing.

As MMA grows, and it's growing fast, more young athletes will be drawn into the sport further enhancing the talent pool of MMA and further weakening the talent pool in boxing, at least in the heavyweight division.

The more popular a sport becomes the more young people will want to take it up. As the UFC and MMA in general gets more popular, it can only go from strength to strength. In 10 years it could well be seen as the premier combat sport ahead of boxing. In fact it could even get there in 5.

[Trainer Monkey]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

Its boring as hell to me,its not good at any one thing
Nothing honed,no prefection
How it really looks to me
"Paddy cake with the hands,one half assed kick,and then roll around on the mat until conclusion"
Its jack of all trades,master of nothing,and honestly I think it looks vaguely gay(not that theres anything wrong with that)
Its not a honed,skilled,and trained martial art,so it bores the piss out of me

[TheBESTP4P]

Joe Rogan=Failed comedian,failed actor,actually succeeded in killing the hugely popular Man Show,got in to fight with Myspacer named Kevin

Lou Dibella=Succesful promoter,created boxing after dark for HBO,promoted fights for Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor

CC #50 for the REEEEEEEEEEAL Talk bro. i met joe rogan hes basically a doosh bag prick.

[VictorCharlie]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

Its boring as hell to me,its not good at any one thing
Nothing honed,no prefection
How it really looks to me
"Paddy cake with the hands,one half assed kick,and then roll around on the mat until conclusion"
Its jack of all trades,master of nothing,and honestly I think it looks vaguely gay(not that theres anything wrong with that)
Its not a honed,skilled,and trained martial art,so it bores the piss out of me

I'm going to half way agree with you on one thing....I don't think that the training and skill sets in MMA are as technical as the ones that are required in boxing. I think MMA is a sport that puts much more emphasis on physical abilities. Things like hand speed(or foot), punching power, strength, cardio agility and reflexes are more important than throwing a picture perfect jab or utilizing a great shoulder role in MMA. The aspects of submission wrestling are very technical but unless you compete in it and can look very amateurish. If great boxers are 60% technique and 40% athleticism then I'd say MMA is the opposite

[yoitsdan]

As far as putting on a show for the fans, going out of its way to give something back, the UFC is single handedly destroying boxing. I went to UFC 70, and on the Friday I attended the weigh in, met all the fighters, and at the after party Dana White bought a beer for 80 guys, including myself, my seat in the arena was terrific and it was £120 for the weekend. I went to Calzaghe v Lacy and the weigh-in was closed, nothing but a big fuck you, and my seat in the same block was £315. Can you see why its making all the money? They give a lot back to the fans, boxing gives us a cock up our ass.

[Kev]

Face it,its a sport for frustraited former high school wrestlers to somehow convince themselves they "could have been something"
Im forcing myself to watch this crap right now,take off the trunks its a gay porn
As it is,its liking watching paint peel

Monkey entertainment is subjective...To each his own. we get it you dont enjoy the sport. The whole former british empire loves cricket, i could care less for it, but that doesn't make it any less of a sport or its participants some washed up baseball wannabees. I grew up in Texas and chose not to play HS football. This is a serious sin in Tx towns. Instead I chose to play soccer and run track. This choise doesn't make me some jock sniffing loser who couldn't cut it on the gridiron

Its boring as hell to me,its not good at any one thing
Nothing honed,no prefection
How it really looks to me
"Paddy cake with the hands,one half assed kick,and then roll around on the mat until conclusion"
Its jack of all trades,master of nothing,and honestly I think it looks vaguely gay(not that theres anything wrong with that)
Its not a honed,skilled,and trained martial art,so it bores the piss out of me

I'm going to half way agree with you on one thing....I don't think that the training and skill sets in MMA are as technical as the ones that are required in boxing. I think MMA is a sport that puts much more emphasis on physical abilities. Things like hand speed(or foot), punching power, strength, cardio agility and reflexes are more important than throwing a picture perfect jab or utilizing a great shoulder role in MMA. The aspects of submission wrestling are very technical but unless you compete in it and can look very amateurish. If great boxers are 60% technique and 40% athleticism then I'd say MMA is the opposite

At the highest level I disagree. Randy Coutoure has consistently proven it's not about physical youth and energy and imo to throw the perfect leg kick, like Cro Cop for example takes every bit as much skill as throwing a punch.

MMA stars have a different throw style to boxers because the gloves are different. It's like comparing a swordsman's style to someone skilled with an axe. His movements will be different because of the weapon he uses, and UFC fighters use totally different gloves to boxers.

The same defensive and offensive skills in boxing won't work in the UFC and vice versa because the gloves are a completely different size, shape and form. You can't compare.

[yoitsdan]

Another huge difference between boxing and MMA, in boxing you can have an off night and you can squeak out a decision. In MMA you have a slightly off night, and you go to sleep.

[CFH]

As far as putting on a show for the fans, going out of its way to give something back, the UFC is single handedly destroying boxing. I went to UFC 70, and on the Friday I attended the weigh in, met all the fighters, and at the after party Dana White bought a beer for 80 guys, including myself, my seat in the arena was terrific and it was £120 for the weekend. I went to Calzaghe v Lacy and the weigh-in was closed, nothing but a big fuck you, and my seat in the same block was £315. Can you see why its making all the money? They give a lot back to the fans, boxing gives us a cock up our ass.

Great post man. CC. Boxing has treated its fans like mindless pieces of shit for way too long, the mindset of most promoters in boxing seems to be that we should be happy to eat whatever bullshit they are feeding us, and tough for us if we don't like it. Rather than the differences between the sports, that above all else is probably what is propelling UFC above boxing in the casual fans mind. Look at the difference between the Contender and the Ultimate Fighter - one has a glossy, manipulated, and ultimately phony product, the other is as real as it gets. I honestly prefer the Contender, because of my love for boxing, but there is no doubt which is the better, more honest show. That in itself is a microcosm of what is wrong with our beloved sport.

[Trainer Monkey]

Another huge difference between boxing and MMA, in boxing you can have an off night and you can squeak out a decision. In MMA you have a slightly off night, and you go to sleep.

I gave it yet another chance
Me and my wife have a new code word for private time
"Hey hun,want to go upstairs,and practice some mixed martial arts?'

[VictorCharlie]

I agree Bilbo that there are many boxing techniques that dont directly translate to MMA. I also feel that the top MMA strikers have taken boxing and kickboxing techniques and morphed them into the MMA game. I wasn't saying that there isn't any strategy of technique to the sport, but I don't think that the skill sets in MMA need the same detailed and refined techniques that boxing does. I think Fedor is a good example: he has great power and hand speed. He overwhelms opponents, but I wouldn't call it a real technical punching spectacle. Chuck does use a counterpunchign style by using good footwork and angles that shows more technique than the typical MMA strike though. I do agree the hich kicks from Mirko and snapping MT leg kicks of many are definately techniques that take alot of skill and training.

[southakron314]

Lyle I can do this too

MMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzaH5yb0ZVg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHRv44MJ6iw

you decide

give me a break man both sports are valid..both have great fights and both have snore fests
entertainment is subjective...there is no reason to bash the fighters and their fans b/c its not your bag

You must be freaking kidding me right?
A snugle/slap festivel that ends with one guys face in anothers crotch,compaired to bare knuckle boxing
Yeah thats a good equation
Whats next,you gonna compare the Kentucky Derby to track and Field?

Is it any worse than a boxing match and two chics fighting on the street being compared?
but if its a KO compilation you want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fb0LA1mIQ

What throw a half ass uppercut that dose no damage.My wife ex boyfriend is a mma fighter 205 lb. Im 6 foot 215-220 former silver glove winner.He thinks he is a bad ass like a graplers do.@ time state champ at Walsh Jesiut high. Best high school wreastling program in the nation. He thaught he was a tough guy too. I beat his ass. You MMA guys think you are all that and a bag of chips. I learned how to fight on the street and with head gear on as a kid. That bastard thaught he was the toughest thing ever like most of you do. He wasnt crap.

[tkdboy]

wow trainer monkey you have made many gay refrences and have gone out of your way to tell us you have a wife I think you should get ahold of your phobia. biblo, van I think that in many cases physical ability has dominated boxing as well George Forman was not technically sound and Ive heard many boxing anylists say that Ali got away with pulling straight back only becouse of his speed, and there are many other examples. So this mascarade of perfection that boxing puts on is crap, the concept of boxing is perfect but I have seen very few who come close. I believe that there is a perfect concept for MMA as well, there is a counter for every move and there are opptions from every position Fador moves seemlesly from one situation to the next thats what makes mma great, its the mental game to stay ahead of your apponent. The difference is like boxing is playing chess with only pawns a queen and castles where mma is using all the pieces. And it just seems like monkey cant wrap his brain around that