Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats

[p4pking]

Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.

[Beanflicker]

.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.

Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.

Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.

Well you can base it on styles and what you've seen in the ring from Wlad and Ali. Personally I see where you are coming from, too many guys pick Ali (and other "old school" fighters) just because they are who they are, but in this case I believe a reasonable prediction can be made. I believe Ali's hand and foot speed would be too much for Wlad and his biggest assett (his size) would be made into his biggest weakness. I think Wlad would have a MUCH better change against a guy like Foreman or Tyson than a guy like Ali or Holmes.

[Klitsfan]

Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.

Maybey because we are the only ones who have seen all of his fights and know his potential.We weren't born Klitschko fans we became fans because we recognise talent when we see it, and it doesn't matter that he isn't from the U.S.A.Some people can't get past that fact so their judgement is clouded.

[Klitsfan]

.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.

Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.

Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.

Well you can base it on styles and what you've seen in the ring from Wlad and Ali. Personally I see where you are coming from, too many guys pick Ali (and other "old school" fighters) just because they are who they are, but in this case I believe a reasonable prediction can be made. I believe Ali's hand and foot speed would be too much for Wlad and his biggest assett (his size) would be made into his biggest weakness. I think Wlad would have a MUCH better change against a guy like Foreman or Tyson than a guy like Ali or Holmes.

So you don't think Wladimir could land any punches on him?I dont think you are giving Wladimir much credit for his hand speed if you believe that.I might see your point if we were talking about Vitali but Wladimir is much quicker and puts his punches together very well.I just believe Wladimir is too big for a little guy like Ali.

[Wacko3205]

Not sure if I have commented on this thread because it's been running a little while & I think that I have missed it.

That being said...I honestly can't agree with the title...Wladimir isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats?

I totally disagree.

Wlad's one of the greats already even though he's got the losses that he has...all he needs to do is avenge a couple of them & he gains more momentum towards the big time.

There are no heavies out there right now that I don't think that he can't drop.

[ICB]

Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.

Maybey because we are the only ones who have seen all of his fights and know his potential.We weren't born Klitschko fans we became fans because we recognise talent when we see it, and it doesn't matter that he isn't from the U.S.A.Some people can't get past that fact so their judgement is clouded.

You don't need to see every fight from his first pro fight you can just see all important ones like i have to know everything about Wlad and again you and USA are either saying we are hating on Wlad or are judgement is clouded but i think your judgement is clouded because your massive fan of Wlad when fact is he is just decent hw with good skills bad chin and stamina problems and gets dropped or koed by alot lesser opposition and you say Ali would be too small yet Brewster was 226 against Wlad wasn't he ?? yet he dropped him on his a** and stopped him and he is only 6 foot 0 Ali isn't that small he was around 220 and was 6 foot 3.

[Klitsfan]

Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.

Maybey because we are the only ones who have seen all of his fights and know his potential.We weren't born Klitschko fans we became fans because we recognise talent when we see it, and it doesn't matter that he isn't from the U.S.A.Some people can't get past that fact so their judgement is clouded.

You don't need to see every fight from his first pro fight you can just see all important ones like i have to know everything about Wlad and again you and USA are either saying we are hating on Wlad or are judgement is clouded but i think your judgement is clouded because your massive fan of Wlad when fact is he is just decent hw with good skills bad chin and stamina problems and gets dropped or koed by alot lesser opposition and you say Ali would be too small yet Brewster was 226 against Wlad wasn't he ?? yet he dropped him on his a** and stopped him and he is only 6 foot 0 Ali isn't that small he was around 220 and was 6 foot 3.

Brewster is a bigger puncher than Ali out of his 33 wins 29 were by KO and theese were against the big heavyweights of today not guys from 190 to 212lbs.By the way Wladimir punched himself out in that fight I am quite sure he learned his lesson from that fight.

[ICB]

Seems like the only people picking Wlad to beat those top ATG's are "klitschkofan", and "USA loves the klitschkos".... shocking.

Maybey because we are the only ones who have seen all of his fights and know his potential.We weren't born Klitschko fans we became fans because we recognise talent when we see it, and it doesn't matter that he isn't from the U.S.A.Some people can't get past that fact so their judgement is clouded.

You don't need to see every fight from his first pro fight you can just see all important ones like i have to know everything about Wlad and again you and USA are either saying we are hating on Wlad or are judgement is clouded but i think your judgement is clouded because your massive fan of Wlad when fact is he is just decent hw with good skills bad chin and stamina problems and gets dropped or koed by alot lesser opposition and you say Ali would be too small yet Brewster was 226 against Wlad wasn't he ?? yet he dropped him on his a** and stopped him and he is only 6 foot 0 Ali isn't that small he was around 220 and was 6 foot 3.

Brewster is a bigger puncher than Ali out of his 33 wins 29 were by KO and theese were against the big heavyweights of today not guys from 190 to 212lbs.By the way Wladimir punched himself out in that fight I am quite sure he learned his lesson from that fight.

Ali isn't light hitter though and Wlad isn't that hard to hit Ali is very trick and smart fighter im not saying he is unbeatable of course he isn't but from what i've seen from both fighters Ali would tko Wlad.

[Mr140]

my god take a week off and comeback to see a bunch of Wald's fans throwing a tantrum read my post not like i give wlad no chane.

[plinden]

Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

Are you funny? Ali could barely get by guys in the 190s and 200 pounds range, how would he stand any chance against Wlad?

180 pounds BOB FOSTER went 8 rounds against ALi, Ruddi Lubbers at 196 went 12 rounds against him, Ken Norton at 210 beat him, Doug Jones at 188 went 10 rounds, and so on... man take a look at his record, he rarely finnished any guy bigger than himself. Why think that Wlad is worse than Wepner and Lubbers et al?

Ali had a lot of ring smarts, but dealing with a super bright giant with a great jab... no way.

[El Kabong]

Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

Oh it's soooo true....I mean just because Vitali got cut ONCE vs LENNOX LEWIS and Wladimir gets a headbutt here and there and gets cut.....yeah they cut all the time

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.

Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.

Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.

Well you can base it on styles and what you've seen in the ring from Wlad and Ali. Personally I see where you are coming from, too many guys pick Ali (and other "old school" fighters) just because they are who they are, but in this case I believe a reasonable prediction can be made. I believe Ali's hand and foot speed would be too much for Wlad and his biggest assett (his size) would be made into his biggest weakness. I think Wlad would have a MUCH better change against a guy like Foreman or Tyson than a guy like Ali or Holmes.

So you don't think Wladimir could land any punches on him?I dont think you are giving Wladimir much credit for his hand speed if you believe that.I might see your point if we were talking about Vitali but Wladimir is much quicker and puts his punches together very well.I just believe Wladimir is too big for a little guy like Ali.

cc Klitschkofan some said the same about Chris Byrd in his first fight with Wladimir.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

Are you funny? Ali could barely get by guys in the 190s and 200 pounds range, how would he stand any chance against Wlad?

180 pounds BOB FOSTER went 8 rounds against ALi, Ruddi Lubbers at 196 went 12 rounds against him, Ken Norton at 210 beat him, Doug Jones at 188 went 10 rounds, and so on... man take a look at his record, he rarely finnished any guy bigger than himself. Why think that Wlad is worse than Wepner and Lubbers et al?

Ali had a lot of ring smarts, but dealing with a super bright giant with a great jab... no way.

cc plinden, good point

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

Oh it's soooo true....I mean just because Vitali got cut ONCE vs LENNOX LEWIS and Wladimir gets a headbutt here and there and gets cut.....yeah they cut all the time

cc Lyle they get cut no more than the rest.

[headson]

i think bert cooper can wk alot of promblems