What did you think of Hatton's performance?

[LEGION]

I also meant to add that it would have been real interesting to see what would have been said if that fight went the distance. Would they have really gotten all over Hatton about how it took him going the distance to beat an old man?? If he would have knocked Castillo out in the 1st round they would have talked garbage about it. But as far as I'm concerned, Ricky did an outstanding job and what he was told he had to do.

[RozzySean]

I'm a new member, but have been coming here peeking around for quite a while, so hello everyone. I would like to say congrats to Hatton 1st, as he did his job. And much respect for Castillo also, as he always has been a warrior and one of my favorites. But I need to say something in regards to the other night. Was Castillo shot?? Only he knows that but he said he would knockout Rick and that Rick wasn't even in the same league as far as skills and opponents. He looked very happy and calm before the fight and was laughing and smiling right before the fight. He looked slow at 1st but what's new, and when Ricky is holding or wrestling or whatever anyone wants to label it, it's hard to look fast IMO. Did Castillo quit?? Maybe he did mentally quit, thoughI think it is insulting to a guy who has shown so game for so long. Nobody else did what Hatton did to him, so shot fighter or not it is very rare indeed to put Castillo on the floor like that, and in that time. But what really gets me is that Ricky came prepared for whatever Castillo decided to come, and took care of business. It's not Ricky's fault for which Castillo shows up, that boy comes to fight. I don't think Rick holds or wrestles because he can't box, he knows he is so strong that he likes to bully people around; that's his style. Just as it is Floyd's style to so-called "run". I like em' both and much respect to both, but like them or hate them, this fight needs to happen. Floyd's camp told Rick that in order to get a fight with him Rick would have to beat Castillo decisively, which he obviously did, shot fighter or not. So therefore, make this fight happen and be done with it. Will be the most anticipated fight IMO since Leonard/Hearns. At least give Rick credit for making it to the top, because face it, Castillo could hardly be called a bum. Mayweather couldn't put him out like that and I know his style really doesn't imply that type of destruction, but Rick did it so stop calling him a bum. Fight him and prove it!! I hate all the b.s. talk about any of these fighters because as far as I'm concerned, they are there and most of us are not, so respect those men in the ring. If by chance Castillo purposely avoided getting up the other night, it's because he knew he would get put down again and fast. As many wars as he's been in that's understandable, but I don't think he could have dealt with Ricky 5 years ago with the Ricky of Saturday night. Anyways, just my 25 cents and no offense intended if I did. I don't want to come off as an "internet warrior", just wanted to express my opinion.

Have your first cool click on me. Welcome to the forum. Don't let the haters get you down.

[LEGION]

Appreciate that SeanE. I don't let the haters get me down as it's not me getting in the ring for a living and having to deal with it on a constant basis. I appreciate all fighters, whether a person going into his/her 1st amateur fight to the top of the food chain fighters. It's a tough sport, so respect to anyone willing to fight. Is all I know is that a fight between Mayweather/Hatton is exactly what boxing needs.

[Pavlik]

havent seen the fight yet but stopping a fighter that PBF had some troubled with means alot. Hopefully Hatton gets the great respect he deserves he now stopped both Tszyu and Castillo, great resume IMO.
Doesnt matter if his style sucks or is flawed the main thing is he is freakin effective at it.
I am not a Hatton fan

[Fire]

really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win.

i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's

grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..

hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...

It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.

I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!

If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.

Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.

I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.

I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.

Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.

I tried...but couldn't have said it better meself!

first i appreciate mayweathers running style but.. p4p#1 means something

but if hatton dont have any skill in the holding tactics.. why dont you jump in their with hatton at 140 and go to floyd at 154 and see who gets more f**** up


no different than ruiz? and you couldnt have said it better Wacko? and you guys boast about appreciating boxers?

wasnt you calling me contradicting earlier wacko??

i'm not trying to get into an argument but that ruiz comment is bullsh@t

[Fire]

comparing hatton to ruiz saying with more speed and aggression
is like me comparing mayweather to paulie except mayweather has more power....

you dont see how true boxers cant appreciate mayweathers style

but you can totally dismiss hatton's no skill grabbing though huh

by the way no one said they didnt appreciate PBF skill... i said "running" style caus it pisses me off when they equate hatton skills to grabbing..and for some reason those same people love the sh!t out of mayweather..

[El Gamo]

WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN FLOYDS HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND MOVING OUT.. AND HATTON HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND CLINCHING

Since you keep asking, here's the easy answer: holding is illegal.

More substantively, the difference is that using movement to not get hit requires a great deal of skill and athleticism. This is why even people who don't like Floyd's defensive style constantly preface this by saying things like "I mean, I respect his skill, but..." or "I can appreciate that he's great, but...." Excessive holding, on the other hand, does not require any skill or athleticism at all. This is obvious from the fact that any fight you watch between a couple of guys with no amateur background and only a handful of fights under their belts is characterized by excessive holding. And while some people may not like watching defensive movement, no one even appreciates watching holding.

That is a super post SHZA,cc in 24. sums up how I feel. I can appreciate Floyd,I'd consider myself a huge fan of his skills and like to watch him box but I cannot stand the holding. I've watched the fight 3/4 times,I've tried to enjoy it but I can't.

[Fire]

WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN FLOYDS HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND MOVING OUT.. AND HATTON HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND CLINCHING

Since you keep asking, here's the easy answer: holding is illegal.

More substantively, the difference is that using movement to not get hit requires a great deal of skill and athleticism. This is why even people who don't like Floyd's defensive style constantly preface this by saying things like "I mean, I respect his skill, but..." or "I can appreciate that he's great, but...." Excessive holding, on the other hand, does not require any skill or athleticism at all. This is obvious from the fact that any fight you watch between a couple of guys with no amateur background and only a handful of fights under their belts is characterized by excessive holding. And while some people may not like watching defensive movement, no one even appreciates watching holding.

That is a super post SHZA,cc in 24. sums up how I feel. I can appreciate Floyd,I'd consider myself a huge fan of his skills and like to watch him box but I cannot stand the holding. I've watched the fight 3/4 times,I've tried to enjoy it but I can't.

holding excessive (for along time) is illegal.... JLC held too

you all are right mayweather defence is skillfull and hatton is a nonexciting holding fighter.....

you keep giving each other cc's for defending that holding is bad and mayweather footwork is skillfull......NO SH!IT ...HOW EASY IS IT TO ARGUE THAT POINT...

THATS NOT EVEN WHAT I'M ARGUING AGAINST

where was all of you when saddo was slamming the hatton haters at the end of the match ........ yeah you all was silent about hatton holding, then you all start bashing on the guy getting thrown out for not giving due credit to hatton and his style..

ITS YOU GUYS ARROGENT THOUGHT THAT: MAYWEATHER STYLE IS SO SUPERIOR TO HATTON'S STYLE THAT IS PISSING ME OFF... WE ARE ALL AMATURE BOXING ANALYST....

then when saddo leaves its back to.... HATTON HOLDS SO MUCH ITS UNBEARABLE TO WATCH... FU#KING PLEASE....

I was simply comparing mayweather's 3,4 punch move away style
to hatton 3,4 hold style..... and you all just cant get it huh...

now if you want to argue that mayweathers tactics are more skillfull than hatton's that is one thing, but to act like mayweather is some exciting fighter to watch and with the same eyes hatton's style is boring, holding to the point where you cant watch is just f**** stupid....

REALITY: HATTON IS KNOWN BY MOST FANS WORLDWIDE AS A EXCITING FIGHTER
MAYWEATHER IS KNOWN FOR BEING A SKILLFULL, BORING FIGHTER BY FANS AND JORNALIST AROUND THE WORLD NOT JUST ME..... EVERYONE LOVED THE DLH-PBF MATCH ...OH YEAH DLH CHASED HIS ASS AROUND THE RING FOR 12.. THAT WAS SO MUCH MORE EXCITING AND SKILLFUL THAN THE BEATDOWN HATTON GAVE CASTILLO

SHZA: LIKE I SAID BEFORE JUMP IN THE RING W/ (UNSKILLFULL HOLDING) HATTON AT 140
THEN JUMP IN THE RING W/ MAYWEATHER AT 154 AND SEE WHO F#### YOU UP MORE

i know i am making alot of enemies quick on this issue
sorry if i offended anyone ..but it offends me to hear such great posters on boxing equate hattons style to simply holding to much

i know alot of arguing with me dont get my point, but i know alot of people are reading and do get my point

again sorry if i offended anyone


i know mayweather would probably beat hatton

[donnydarkoIRL]

Look if Hatton's so hard to watch, then just don't watch him....
If u wanna have a jr. welter champion who fights exactly the way u want, go find him then get him to beat Hatton...

[Fire]

Look if Hatton's so hard to watch, then just don't watch him....
If u wanna have a jr. welter champion who fights exactly the way u want, go find him then get him to beat Hatton...

lol.. thank you for a reality dose.............

i think malignaggi fits the description throw him in their w/ the unskilled, barely-watchable, hatton and see what happens.....

oh all people that moves good dont have good defence (comparing PBF to malignaggi) well not all people that hold is 43-0 2 division 4 time champ

[Wacko3205]

Come on, Wacko. He wasn't an action fighter against Oscar. He won, but he took no chances. Hit and not be hit is the largest part of boxing, but Floyd tends to focus much more on the "not be hit" part. Yes, he has had action fights in the past, at lighter weight classes. Since moving up, all his focus is on defense. All the names you mentioned were at 135 or below. I would much rather see a fighter use a little clinching and try to KO his man than use his legs to run and pot shot his way to boring decision, ie Floyd against Baldy and Oscar or Andre Dirrell against Stevens.

Again...it's all what you want to see & how you view boxing. Floyd is exciting & the Oscar fight he took chances. Trust me...seeing that fight live & watching it on the telee are two totally different thing...as is any fight that anyone has sat through. Floyd hurt Oscar, Oscar hurt Floyd & Floyd did very little "running" as his "detractors" like to say.

Also...I don't go for that "what have you done for me lately" bullshit...because it is just that...TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Boxing is boxing & fighters are fighters & if they keep on winning & outclassing their opponents, which Floyd does...then the critique is ridiculous & unfounded.

The fact that Floyd has been in action fights in days gone by doesn't mean jack to them because he's not a knockout artist...that's just crap. Boxing is what it is & whether you like him or not...Floyd is boxing.

The problem with Hatton's clinching is when he gets into a fight were he wants to cruise to decision, ie Urango and to a lesser degree Collazo, he becomes painful to watch. That version of Hatton was "hook and hold" Hatton. I completely disagree with Lederman that Hatton was initiating 90% of the clinching against JLC, and even with the clinching, he was still a very active puncher, and used great speed and footwork.

The problem is...clenching is fucking clenching & it's painful to watch regardless. I hated it during the Tszyu fight & every other one since. He couldn't do it against Collazo as much because Collazo didn't stand there to be clenched.

I agree with Lederman...Hatton was doing the holding...he always does.

Fact.

Sorry...but it is. That being said...I'm proud of Hatton for the win & I think that it is very VERY distasteful that people were salivating over this match up weeks & months prior bu then tore down Castillo the minute Hatton dropped him & no matter what anyone says...Castillo wasn't just sitting that one out. He got stopped.

[El Gamo]

I agree with your post apart from 1 thing Wack,Floyd took VERY LITTLE risk v Oscar apart from the last 3 rounds,when he knew Oscar would be tired. His focus is almost entirely on defence at the higher weights with limited offense,potshots,which I personally don't mind because his defence is superb but what the main issue is:

Would you prefer to watch a guy who holds BUT tried to go for the KO and give the fans what they want

OR

Would you prefer to watch a guy who takes very little risk,focusses mainly on defence and coming out with the W?

Personally,I enjoy watching Floyd more because I don't like too much holding but I can see where Hatton fans are coming from.And I think the average Joe would much rather watch someone go for the KO than watch a defensive master like Floyd.

[Wacko3205]

holding excessive (for along time) is illegal.... JLC held too

While Castillo might have held on too...Hatton's made a career out of holding & wrestling & making a ruff go of it...even his loyal fans will tell the tale.

you all are right mayweather defence is skillfull and hatton is a nonexciting holding fighter.....

No one ever EVER said that Hatton was not an exciting fighter...that's you over stepping your mark & speaking for others.

you keep giving each other cc's for defending that holding is bad and mayweather footwork is skillfull......NO SH!IT ...HOW EASY IS IT TO ARGUE THAT POINT...

One thing you'll need to learn in order to stay on this forum...try to discuss & not argue. No one here is arguing...just you. s are given out between members that respect & agree with one another from time to time. You have a few of them...that means someone has either agreed with something you said...or liked it. It aint because you viciously argued your point.

THATS NOT EVEN WHAT I'M ARGUING AGAINST

Again...arguing is not what we do here...discuss. You'll see that people starting arguements & letting their emotions get the best of them are the one's that get the boot really fast.

where was all of you when saddo was slamming the hatton haters at the end of the match ........ yeah you all was silent about hatton holding, then you all start bashing on the guy getting thrown out for not giving due credit to hatton and his style..

Now...you need to step back & rethink what youv'e just stated. Go back & read the round by round...I was sour from the beginning from start to finish on Hatton's holding & made that very VERY apparent...but I respected his win...I was also disgusted with the fact that everyone ripped on Castillo the minute Hatton stopped him.

We all pride ourselves in being tight knit here & enjoying each other's company. Questioning people's integrity the way that you are...that aint cool.

No one's not giving Hatton credit...just because their not saying what you want to hear doesn't make you right & them wrong.

Again...don't let your emotions rule your posts. You won't last long.

Debate...not argue.

ITS YOU GUYS ARROGENT THOUGHT THAT: MAYWEATHER STYLE IS SO SUPERIOR TO HATTON'S STYLE THAT IS PISSING ME OFF... WE ARE ALL AMATURE BOXING ANALYST....

Again...no need in being combative. No one's claiming to be analysts...just fans in discussion.

then when saddo leaves its back to.... HATTON HOLDS SO MUCH ITS UNBEARABLE TO WATCH... FU#KING PLEASE....

Saddo isn't a father figure here & wer'e not children. Everyone voices his or her opinion freely...not in fear. You apparently aren't familiar enough with the day to day runnings of this place...otherwise...the above would have never been posted.

now if you want to argue that mayweathers tactics are more skillfull than hatton's that is one thing, but to act like mayweather is some exciting fighter to watch and with the same eyes hatton's style is boring, holding to the point where you cant watch is just f**** stupid....

No one ever said that.

REALITY: HATTON IS KNOWN BY MOST FANS WORLDWIDE AS A EXCITING FIGHTER
MAYWEATHER IS KNOWN FOR BEING A SKILLFULL, BORING FIGHTER BY FANS AND JORNALIST AROUND THE WORLD NOT JUST ME..... EVERYONE LOVED THE DLH-PBF MATCH ...OH YEAH DLH CHASED HIS a** AROUND THE RING FOR 12.. THAT WAS SO MUCH MORE EXCITING AND SKILLFUL THAN THE BEATDOWN HATTON GAVE CASTILLO

That's your opinion...& duely noted...but don't rip into others because you made the comparison.

SHZA: LIKE I SAID BEFORE JUMP IN THE RING W/ (UNSKILLFULL HOLDING) HATTON AT 140
THEN JUMP IN THE RING W/ MAYWEATHER AT 154 AND SEE WHO F#### YOU UP MORE

This again is ridiculous. Just like you said about us being analyst...shza is a fan...not a proffessional boxer...

i know i am making alot of enemies quick on this issue
sorry if i offended anyone ..but it offends me to hear such great posters on boxing equate hattons style to simply holding to much

You have to look at it like this...live & learn. Everyone always discusses their likes & dislikes regarding fighters. If I got so pissed off (like you have) over what people said about Wright, Floyd, & Hopkins & acted a fool over it...I'd have been gone the first week.

Don't make that mistake. Just calm down & listen & comment maturely. Stay awhile.

i know alot of arguing with me dont get my point, but i know alot of people are reading and do get my point

Again...no one here likes to argue.

again sorry if i offended anyone

It will pass...just ease up on the combativeness.

i know mayweather would probably beat hatton

Which is a matter that will be up for discussion for days, weeks, & maybe years unless Hatton ponies up & moves up again...because there's now way that I could see Floyd ever being able to move back down.

IWO, Hatton moving up...he loses.

IWO, Floyd moving down...Floyd loses.

I say that the fight is very improbable.

[Wacko3205]

I agree with your post apart from 1 thing Wack,Floyd took VERY LITTLE risk v Oscar apart from the last 3 rounds,when he knew Oscar would be tired. His focus is almost entirely on defence at the higher weights with limited offense,potshots,which I personally don't mind because his defence is superb but what the main issue is:

Would you prefer to watch a guy who holds BUT tried to go for the KO and give the fans what they want

OR

Would you prefer to watch a guy who takes very little risk,focusses mainly on defence and coming out with the W?

Personally,I enjoy watching Floyd more because I don't like too much holding but I can see where Hatton fans are coming from.And I think the average Joe would much rather watch someone go for the KO than watch a defensive master like Floyd.

Honestly...I can't answer that question with just a yes or no...because I'm just not a big Hatton fan & in comparison to Floyd...well there is no comparison for me.

As noted...I really liked the fact that Hatton won...but I do not like his style. As noted prior in regards to my favorite fighters...I like a fighter that is a defense first fighter & slips, slides, picks & chooses shots, & then places them.

People kill me saying that Floyd takes little risk...every fighter takes a risk climbing through the ropes.

You have to look at it like this...because Floyd doesn't get hurt, bloodied, battered, dropped, punished, or whatever...does that make him a fighter that takes no risks & runs? People say yes...but what about the man across the ring from him? He's the one that is usually hurt, bloodied, battered, & punished...so let people say what they will...but I like Floyd & no matter what anyone has to say about that...it will stay that way.

The Hatton fights, to me, are ugly. I'm not saying that Hatton is not skilled...because he is...I just don't like that type of fighter.

[Wacko3205]

no different than ruiz? and you couldnt have said it better Wacko? and you guys boast about appreciating boxers?

wasnt you calling me contradicting earlier wacko??

Not that I feel I have to defend myself with you...but since you like to argue...

I was saying that I totally agreed with what was said about Floyd...not the Ruiz statement.

Yes I did state that I felt you were contradicting yourself when you made a statement out footwork & not getting hit in regards to Floyd & then stating that he was a runner.

Hit & not get hit.

Now...as far as you saying I'm ripping on Hatton for holding?

I have always stated that I HATE that holding horse shit...& I always will & as far as me not saying it when the boss was on board:

Ricky Hatton (42 wins with 30 ko's) vs. Jose Luis Castillo (63 fights, 55 wins with 47 ko's, 7 losses, & 1 draw) Round 4: Both men throw hooks. Right hook left hook by both. Hatton ties up again. I hate that. Shoulder to shoulder. Hatton unloads on the ropes. Shoulder to shoulder again & Hatton ties up & then fires to the body. Upper from Castillo. Body shot by Castillo. Hatton holds again. Castillo to the body. Uppers by both. Hatton ties up again. Body shots by Castillo. Low blow by Castillo. There goes a point. That was bullshit. Lunging left hook from Hatton. Bodys shots by Hatton answered by Castillo. Hatton to the body & Castillo hooks the noggin. Shoulder to shoulder. Body shot drops Castillo!!!!

It’s over!!!

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I want to say this...F*** HBO.

What their commentators just said was TOTAL BULLSHIT.

I aint a Hatton fan...but they just totally disrespected him.
They said that he won't or shouldn't get much respect for that fight because Castillo was shot...that's bullshit. While I do think that Castillo is/was on the slide...he is not a finished fighter. Personally...I thought that Castillo was coming on & that this was a really really good fight. That body shot was brutal.

Hatton holds WAY too much for me to like him as a fighter...but shame on gotdam HBO.

That was just wrong.

We have so many fans often asking what is wrong with boxing...I'd like to say that what you just witnessed/heard is one of them.

That was wrong. You don't say things like that when two men put their lives, hearts, & minds on the line & give it all they have. That my friends pissed me the fwock off.

That was my post from Saturday night...while the boss was on & 689+ guests also.

I'm fair & I always say what's on my mind...& I really don't think that what say about Hatton today is anymore different than what I said about him after the Kostya fight.

I don't like his style...but I'm thrilled for him & his fans that he won.