Who will be seen as the greatest fighter between 2001-2010

[SweetPea]

I am suprised Oscar De La Hoya is not on the list. He has lost some of his last big fights but then again who has had more big fights then Oscar? A very hard question to answer.

Oscar has only won one big fight all decade, which was his win over Vargas. What has he done to be worthy of Fighter of the Decade status?

Tho I don't agree that ODLH should be listed.

The titles in different divisions must hold some type of weight right?

But in the 2001-2010 timeframe that we're discussing... Oscar has only won titles at 154 and 160, and the 160 title wasn't a real title. Hopkins was the real champ, DLH won a cheap belt in a fight many people thought he lost.
Oscar's multiple titles occurred in the 90s for the most part.

I see your point SweetPea.....
With that said then you'd also have to cut off more then half of the 1st part of PBFs career which include big wins as a SuperFeather and a title there.

True, his wins against Genaro Hernandez, Manfredy, etc... they were before '01.
But by far his biggest win at 130 was the fight against Diego Corrales, and that occurred in January of 2001. So that stills counts, as well as all his fights since then at 135, 140, 147, and the Oscar fight at 154.

[SweetPea]

Pacquaio basically has the same age as Floyd, and he seems like the only real competitor for PBF's title in this regard. Although PBF in my view is head and shoulders ahead.

Ya, it's definitely a two-horse race right now between Floyd and Pacquiao.

However, because of a bunch of different factors, Pacquiao is much more likely to suffer a fast decline than Mayweather is.
It wouldn't shock me at all if Floyd was still considered a top PFP fighter in 2010. On the other hand, I will be very surprised if Pacquiao is still a top-notch fighter in 2010.

[BubbleBox]

So I take it that I'm the only one to think it's Audley Harrison

[Hairdoo]

It just occurred to me that Floyd still has a lot to lose in his next 3 fights before 2010.

He never actually beat the best guy at the time when he picked up his trinkets at 140(Hatton) or 147(Margarito) or 154(Mosley), these three were undoubtedly his toughest challenges and the best of their respective divisions when he last fought there. So Floyd still may lose to the actual best of 140/147/154.

Manny might KO Juan Manuel Márquez ranked no.3 p4p by RING & what if he moved up and beat Baby Bull or Casamayor?

[SweetPea]

It just occurred to me that Floyd still has a lot to lose in his next 3 fights before 2010.

He never actually beat the best guy at the time when he picked up his trinkets at 140(Hatton) or 147(Margarito) or 154(Mosley), these three were undoubtedly his toughest challenges and the best of their respective divisions when he last fought there. So Floyd still may lose to the actual best of 140/147/154.

Mosley had already announced that he was moving back to 147. So when Floyd fought Oscar at 154, you could make a very strong argument that Oscar was the best fighter at 154. Mosley wasn't even in that division anymore.

Manny might KO Juan Manuel Márquez ranked no.3 p4p by RING & what if he moved up and beat Baby Bull or Casamayor?

Ya, but the key word there is "might." If he KO'd Marquez and then beat Diaz and/or Casamayor at 135, then people would start giving serious consideration to Pacquiao as the fighter of the decade.

But those are pretty big Ifs. All 3 of those fighters you listed would stand a very good chance of beating Pacquiao.

[killersheep]

Gotta be PBF, noone in this decade has accomplished more. The only other ones that can be considered
are PAC, and Calzaghe IMO, Hatton if and only if he beats PBF. That being said there is plenty enough time left that say someone like
Juan Diaz, Kelly Pavlik, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Povetkin or any number of young fighters to hustle and get the stats
needed to take that label there is simply too much time left.

[CutMeMick]

Come on CUTMEMICK, tho i admire u as a great poster, and i understand what u mean about THE CAT i find it hard to believe that Haye will ever be p4p number 1. As VD said he'd have to unify cruiser and HW, and as lon as big Wladdy is around that aint gonna happen. I think Mormeck might even beat him. So yes it is possible Haye will be P4P number 1 but the odds are probably 500 to 1
CC for sharing your thoughts rather than just SCing me like most do these days.

While I missed VD's comment the 1st time around....
I seen it just now...
With that said why would Haye have to unify both divisions in order to be P4P?
Surely unifying one would be sufficient... I mean in order to do that he'd be beating JMMormeck and the winner of Cunningham/Huck... To top it off he'd also ahve to beat Enzo. I mean talk about la creme de la creme of a division. IMO that would be sufficient enough.
About Haye vs. JMMormeck well I think Hayes gonna TKO him. The only thing that worries me is Hayes stamina but then again judging by how shitty JMM stamina looked agains Bell the last time out hes stamina aint so good either as of late.

and there is no way he'll be the seen as the greatest fighter of this decade. So there was no point mentioning him in this thread.

I didn't realize that WelshDevil had listed Haye as the best fighter of the decade....
I wouldn't agree with him either.
Heres Welshs comment... I took it as just a comment but not in regards to the fighter of the decade thread here.
I took it more like just Haye touching up the P4P lists...

Maybe David Haye might get to claim the P4P title.

CC for sharing your thoughts rather than just SCing me like most do these days.

CC#107 on me eagle and I guess you took Welsh comment one way and I took it the other.

[Julius Rain]

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

[eagle]

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

[Mr140]

Yea but pac started at a way lower weight 130 is were Mayweather started so whats your point

[Julius Rain]

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

never said floyd isn't a great fighter, but i just don't think he has done as much as he could of. i don't think he really went out and tried to accomplish a lot, unlike fighters like pac or pavlik even cotto. those three comes out and take fights after fight and win with authority. As of floyd he had a lot of share of easy opponents from 2003 to 2006. He has no big win in the welterweight division and he has only one fight at lightmiddleweight. His biggest accomplishments are long ago in the early 2000 and in the featherweight division. Floyd could of taken on casamayor or koysta at the lightweights but he didn't. he jump up in the welterweights to fight lesser oppenents.

I know bhop could have one fight left but as far as this decade of accomplishment goes floyd has NOT surpass bhop, in the p4p rankings yes but no way has he surpass bhops achievement. If i had to vote now for fighter of the decade, i'll vote bhop but if i was to vote who it could be by the end of 2010 i'll vote for pavlik, cause at pavliks pace he could beat all the top fighters in his division and or up. Unlike floyd he keeps it on the safe side. Hatton at 147 barely got by urango and collazo now floyd is taking him on....go figure.

[CutMeMick]

Yea but pac started at a way lower weight 130 is were Mayweather started so whats your point

I think eagles point is that PBF would win.

Great fighters aren't determined by what weight they start off at. Or the weight that start off at doesn't determine how much they can accomplish.

Duran started his career at Bantamweight and because JCC started his career at Super Feather does that mean that if they met at Super Feather JCC would beat Duran because Duran started at a lower weight?

[pacfan]

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

never said floyd isn't a great fighter, but i just don't think he has done as much as he could of. i don't think he really went out and tried to accomplish a lot, unlike fighters like pac or pavlik even cotto. those three comes out and take fights after fight and win with authority. As of floyd he had a lot of share of easy opponents from 2003 to 2006. He has no big win in the welterweight division and he has only one fight at lightmiddleweight. His biggest accomplishments are long ago in the early 2000 and in the featherweight division. Floyd could of taken on casamayor or koysta at the lightweights but he didn't. he jump up in the welterweights to fight lesser oppenents.

I know bhop could have one fight left but as far as this decade of accomplishment goes floyd has NOT surpass bhop, in the p4p rankings yes but no way has he surpass bhops achievement. If i had to vote now for fighter of the decade, i'll vote bhop but if i was to vote who it could be by the end of 2010 i'll vote for pavlik, cause at pavliks pace he could beat all the top fighters in his division and or up. Unlike floyd he keeps it on the safe side. Hatton at 147 barely got by urango and collazo now floyd is taking him on....go figure.

Attaboy!!! Now you're talking, my boy. That's the way to go!

I don't agree with Prettyboy's fans who always sez he's the most skilled. What's skill in boxing anywayz. I think when you talk about skill, it's a matter of right balance. Between the extremes of sluggers on one end and the runners on the other, the well-skilled fighter should be somewhere around the middle. They say pac's on the slugger's side whereas PBF is on the runner's side. Although I don't agree with both styles but many spectators, who're usually bloody-thirsty, prefer the sluggers, that's why he's called the most exciting, although maybe not the best, and again, I don't necessarily agree with that either. But take note, folks, in his last fight against Barrera, he's turned into a complete fighting machine, taking the more balanced middle road. (I wonder why boxing illiterate pac-fans are grumbling, though) They said he counter-punched. No that's not exactly true. Most time, he initiated the contact, drawing Barrera's counterpunch and then he 'countered the counter.' So definitely he didn't run. He was the aggressor but this time unlike before, he was not a mindless and defenseless slugger. He completely dominated the guy who's supposed to be a better technical fighter! He dominated Marco more than the way Marquez dominated him, the best counterpuncher they say and I tended to agree. So guyz, whether you like it or not, beware, cuz we might be seeing the dawning of a new, mean, total fighting machine called THE pacman in the future who can hit, run and hit again and again with one of the most devastating punches out there!

But having said that, I have to say that I have my doubts, though. I think he might have resorted to 'boxing' cuz he wasn't in condition, and I think he was weight drained. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't have enough energy to engage Marco in an all out war. I can be wrong and hope so, though. I think he's going wobbly after Marcos illegal punch was for real and was due to his being drained. But whatever, we'll see in the future and in the meantime, all pac-fans keep their fingers crossed. I've been saying he can't go on fighting like that for long as I've noticed some wear-and-tear in him lately, and so now, after seeing him do a superb boxing job against Marco, I think the ripe ol' time has come for him to change - to change into a more complete fighter... All right, how 'bout some pac and pacfan bashing now!

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

A guy who had difficulty with the likes of Castillo at 135(?)? No way, imo. Floyd fans like to brag that pac has not faced anyone like him, but let me also brag back that the Prettyboy has not faced anyone near pac either. So we're equal here. So let's shake our hands on this one and stop calling us haters cuz we ain't one.

Yea but pac started at a way lower weight 130 is were Mayweather started so whats your point

Pac started at 112 and went up 6 blocks up to 130, while PBF started at 130 and went up 3 or 4 blocks up to 154? (correct me if I'm wrong) If that's correct, we've got a clear winner here. So pac doesn't even need to go up to 135 for that matter, and I'm one of the few who's against him going higher, as you've seen, he's over-extended himself already. Ok, PBF fans, how 'bout hug and kisses? Haha.


All right, where are all the pac-fans hiding. Me and Julius have got no time to defend our boy all by ourselves. Come on back out of lairs and do what you're all supposed to do here... In the meantime, adios mga kaibigan!

[eagle]

Yea but pac started at a way lower weight 130 is were Mayweather started so whats your point

I meant that in pure boxing terms PBF is the better fighter, if they were the same size PBF would win.
You could argue Pac is at his most effective at 130 even tho he started lower, yet when PBF was at 130 he was a better boxer than what Pac is now.

[eagle]

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

never said floyd isn't a great fighter, but i just don't think he has done as much as he could of. i don't think he really went out and tried to accomplish a lot, unlike fighters like pac or pavlik even cotto. those three comes out and take fights after fight and win with authority. As of floyd he had a lot of share of easy opponents from 2003 to 2006. He has no big win in the welterweight division and he has only one fight at lightmiddleweight. His biggest accomplishments are long ago in the early 2000 and in the featherweight division. Floyd could of taken on casamayor or koysta at the lightweights but he didn't. he jump up in the welterweights to fight lesser oppenents.

I know bhop could have one fight left but as far as this decade of accomplishment goes floyd has NOT surpass bhop, in the p4p rankings yes but no way has he surpass bhops achievement. If i had to vote now for fighter of the decade, i'll vote bhop but if i was to vote who it could be by the end of 2010 i'll vote for pavlik, cause at pavliks pace he could beat all the top fighters in his division and or up. Unlike floyd he keeps it on the safe side. Hatton at 147 barely got by urango and collazo now floyd is taking him on....go figure.

Attaboy!!! Now you're talking, my boy. That's the way to go!

I don't agree with Prettyboy's fans who always sez he's the most skilled. What's skill in boxing anywayz. I think when you talk about skill, it's a matter of right balance. Between the extremes of sluggers on one end and the runners on the other, the well-skilled fighter should be somewhere around the middle. They say pac's on the slugger's side whereas PBF is on the runner's side. Although I don't agree with both styles but many spectators, who're usually bloody-thirsty, prefer the sluggers, that's why he's called the most exciting, although maybe not the best, and again, I don't necessarily agree with that either. But take note, folks, in his last fight against Barrera, he's turned into a complete fighting machine, taking the more balanced middle road. (I wonder why boxing illiterate pac-fans are grumbling, though) They said he counter-punched. No that's not exactly true. Most time, he initiated the contact, drawing Barrera's counterpunch and then he 'countered the counter.' So definitely he didn't run. He was the aggressor but this time unlike before, he was not a mindless and defenseless slugger. He completely dominated the guy who's supposed to be a better technical fighter! He dominated Marco more than the way Marquez dominated him, the best counterpuncher they say and I tended to agree. So guyz, whether you like it or not, beware, cuz we might be seeing the dawning of a new, mean, total fighting machine called THE pacman in the future who can hit, run and hit again and again with one of the most devastating punches out there!

But having said that, I have to say that I have my doubts, though. I think he might have resorted to 'boxing' cuz he wasn't in condition, and I think he was weight drained. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't have enough energy to engage Marco in an all out war. I can be wrong and hope so, though. I think he's going wobbly after Marcos illegal punch was for real and was due to his being drained. But whatever, we'll see in the future and in the meantime, all pac-fans keep their fingers crossed. I've been saying he can't go on fighting like that for long as I've noticed some wear-and-tear in him lately, and so now, after seeing him do a superb boxing job against Marco, I think the ripe ol' time has come for him to change - to change into a more complete fighter... All right, how 'bout some pac and pacfan bashing now!

i don't believe in floyd, i think his just everyones scape goat. since his undefeated and still rank p4p best by most, lets dismiss everyone else accomplishment and say floyd is above up, thats totall bullshyt. bhop has done a lot more then floyd and his 40+ and still going strong.

No way is PBF a scapegoat, he is a great fighter and arguably has the best record of any current fighter. Yeah Bhops is good and he deserves to be considered, but he may only have one fight left, whereas PBF can really stamp his authority on this decade in the next few years.
Pac has a good record too, but it think most would agree that if 130 PBF met 130 Pac, Floyd would have won.

A guy who had difficulty with the likes of Castillo at 135(?)? No way, imo. Floyd fans like to brag that pac has not faced anyone like him, but let me also brag back that the Prettyboy has not faced anyone near pac either. So we're equal here. So let's shake our hands on this one and stop calling us haters cuz we ain't one.

Yea but pac started at a way lower weight 130 is were Mayweather started so whats your point

Pac started at 112 and went up 6 blocks up to 130, while PBF started at 130 and went up 3 or 4 blocks up to 154? (correct me if I'm wrong) If that's correct, we've got a clear winner here. So pac doesn't even need to go up to 135 for that matter, and I'm one of the few who's against him going higher, as you've seen, he's over-extended himself already. Ok, PBF fans, how 'bout hug and kisses? Haha.


All right, where are all the pac-fans hiding. Me and Julius have got no time to defend our boy all by ourselves. Come on back out of lairs and do what you're all supposed to do here... In the meantime, adios mga kaibigan!

Blind Fanboyism at its best.
U knock PBF for having trouble with an alltime great in JLC at 135, well Pac got KTFO by singsurat?, torrecampo? and beaten by Morales. Did u not see the second PBF v Castillo fight? A one sided PBF win. PBF also knocked down then 33-0 Corrales at 130, something i think Pac could never do.
PBF has gone up 24 pounds, Pac has gone up 24 pounds so that is even. U didnt even get the facts about your boy manny right, he started at 106.

Debate by yourself , u did pretty well, u dont need the Pac gang to take me on.
CC for your efforts.