Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

[ICB]

what did hopkins say

He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.

I remember Minter said something similar when he said *He wouldn't let a black man take the title from him* that was considered racist so why isn't Hopkins comment considered racist ??

[Trainer Monkey]

what did hopkins say

He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.

I remember Minter said something similar when he said *He wouldn't let a black man take the title from him* that was considered racist so why isn't Hopkins comment considered racist ??

As Ive pointed out,and your avoiding,thats how they talk in that part of the country
Again should the very white Velvet Undergrounds song "Waiting For My Man" lyrics be changed to "Hey there caucasian male possibly of European descent,what chu doing up town"?

[Fenster]

Blimey, you come out with some bollocks - Monkey.

Hopkins comments are considered racist by EVERYONE apart from a few excusers (you) and Bilbo.. and Bilbo is fucked in the head.

Hopkins isn't insulting someones nationality like he did with Tito.

"I would never let me a white boy beat me," Hopkins said five times.

"You can print that. I would never lose to a white person."

He sees the white person as inferior. Simple.

[Trainer Monkey]

Blimey, you come out with some bollocks - Monkey.

Hopkins comments are considered racist by EVERYONE apart from a few excusers (you) and Bilbo.. and Bilbo is fucked in the head.

Hopkins isn't insulting someones nationality like he did with Tito.

"I would never let me a white boy beat me," Hopkins said five times.

"You can print that. I would never lose to a white person."

He sees the white person as inferior. Simple.

Blimey,your confusing the two
What he said about Tito went to far,and he apologized for it
Simple
And when the hell was Peurto Rican considered white in the states for that matter,not in my lifetime to be sure

[Fenster]

What did I confuse?

[Fenster]

Jezus!!

Now I am confused by your edited post.

Peurto Ricans considered white?

What the fuck are you on about? What the fuck are you on for that matter?

The quote is what Hopkins said to Calzaghe. You with this?

[Trainer Monkey]

What did I confuse?

Well for starters, Puerto Ricans arent viewed as white in the states,not even close
You said he considered the white man inferior,how does that relate to his comments about Puerto Rico or Tito?
Oh wait,they dont,not even slightly
And if you had even an iota of a clue about how people talk in that part of the country you wouldnt care about what he said.

[ICB]

Jezus!!

Now I am confused by your edited post.

Peurto Ricans considered white?

What the F*** are you on about? What the F*** are you on for that matter?

The quote is what Hopkins said to Calzaghe. You with this?

Monkey is confusing the hell out of me what the hell is he talking about ?? its obvious that Hopkins was referring to white people being inferior, i think your being very biased Monkey i mean you did think Hopkins beat Roy Jones

[Trainer Monkey]

I think your being very biased yourself
THAT IS HOW PEOPLE SPEAK IN THAT PART OF THE US
DO YOU GET IT NOW
MAYBE,JUST A LITTLE
BERNARD IS OLDER THEN I AM,AND I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE TALKING LIKE THAT
DO YOU FREAKING GET IT YET

[Wayne]

Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.

In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.

AS for

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.

It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.

Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.

Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?

They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.

It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.

I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.

If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.

Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.

Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?

If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.

Does that make sense?

Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...

I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".

By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?

Nah mate you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that in these days of political correctness and tolerance it is said that there should be no racism from either side, and I agree.

But what I find irritating is that a black man clearly just trying to hype a fight and put a bit of needle between him and Joe when he says ' I would never lose to a white man', is deemed as racist behaviour as if his comments are as bad as some of the racist outrages that occur on the other side of the fence.

To try and make an analogy here.

Imagine you are a low rung employee in a big firm. The boss is on a power trip and takes advantage of his staff. He denies them proper breaks, he mocks them, he makes them carry out humiliating tasks. He continually finds ways to dock their pay and generally just doesn't treat them very well.

Meanwhile a low end worker is overheard saying the boss is an asshole.

Now eventually the boss is found out and disciplined and fired for discriminating against his staff and a fair employer brought in to run the company.

But imagine the low end worker who was overheard calling the last boss an asshole to another co worker is also accused of discrimination and fired.

It doesn't make sense does it? The low end worker was a victim of discrimination and therefore was just voicing his opinion of the man who was taking advantage of him and his fellow workers. The actuall offenses were being carried out by the boss.


It's the exact same thing here. Nowadays we are all touchy feely about racism and ready to jump on someone when they say anything that our extreme sensibilities can get offended by.

Hopkins says he will never lose to a white man, 'RACISM!' the pc brigade shouts and points at him.

What was his racist behaviousr though? What did he do? How has he acted in a racist way whatesoever? He just said he will never lose to a white man. People say it's racism because he mentioned a colour but what was actually racist about the comment?

It's just the shitty political correctness beige brigade trying to once again show how tuned in they are about anti racism.

So that's what Hopkins said? It's on the lighter side of racist, but it still is. And your analogy only works if you put white people in the position of being in charge of black people and slavery ended over 100 years ago. I get what you mean, of the two races that black people are the more downtrodden, but c'mon, Hopkins is a millionaire. Some douche on a street corner calls Hopkins the n-word all he has to do is reach into his pocket and pat his billfold to put it in perspective. What Hopkins said is pandering to the notion that black people fight with an anger that white people don't possess, that it's more natural to us and thus why you should always 'bet on black'. It's crap, because black people lose to white people all the time. Had Joe been from Nigeria Hopkins would have said something else as to why he couldn't lose to him. I don't take him as being a racist for saying it (even though Nation of Islamers are flaming racists from what I've seen of them) because I know where it comes from, but it is a racist comment. It's just not a big whoop to me.

I guess my poiint is this, anti racism laws were basically brought in to protect black's and other minorites from discrimination from white's. I just find it deeply ironic how now the pc brigade think they have levelled the playing field and that everybody is equal they can confidently point the finger at black offenders and shout 'RACIST!' becuase they mentioned the W word.

And let's be real here, black discrimination didn't end over a hundred and fifty years ago when slavery was abolished it still continues to the present day. Black's in both the US and UK are far more likely to live below the poverty line than whites, far more likely to have criminal records, far more likely to be arrested etc.

As trainermonkey points out Hopkins grew up in one of the most segregated cities in America and obviously feels a bit of needle over white people in power. His comment wasn't racist to me in the slightest, just a bit of needle to try and make this fight happen. He wants to rile Joe up and get him to sign the contract.

Whether Hopkins is a multi millionaire now has nothing to do with it, he's still a street rat and proud of it I'd imagine.

So basically what I'm saying is that now the pc brigade have reduced racism to merely mentioning the colour of a race not your own. If you mention another colour and say anything negative at all you're a racist.

Meanwhile those in charge can continue to ensure that black minorites are taken off the electral register so that they can't vote, we continue to ensure that by and large black's are far more likely to be at the lower end of the social spectrum, have the worse jobs, have less university opportunites etc but as long as we are careful to tread the PC line and say all the right things it's all ok.

Bilbo, I respect what you're saying, and I think there's a point there. My only issue is that blacks can be every bit as racist as whites. I grew up saying things about white people because that's what I heard older people around me saying, but at a certain point in my life I questioned as to why I would say or think those things. Being poor doesn't exempt you from being racist and just because you've been descriminated against doesn't mean you have to harbor those selfsame feelings as your oppressor. Just because you hate me doesn't dictate how I should feel about you and there are many people, from black to white who feel the same way.

[Fenster]

Monkey you dopey bastard, those were Hopkins comments to Calzaghe. Why would he have said that to a Puerto Rican?

[Trainer Monkey]

Monkey you dopey B******, those were Hopkins comments to Calzaghe. Why would he have said that to a Puerto Rican?

Fenster you dopey bastard,you brought it up

[ICB]

I think your being very biased yourself
THAT IS HOW PEOPLE SPEAK IN THAT PART OF THE US
DO YOU GET IT NOW
MAYBE,JUST A LITTLE
BERNARD IS OLDER THEN I AM,AND I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE TALKING LIKE THAT
DO YOU FREAKING GET IT YET

Explain what he did to Trinidad then ?? stop making excuse's for him, i have hardly ever heard a black boxer from any part of the USA say *I won't let a white man beat me* maybe just maybe Hopkins is a racist ??

[Trainer Monkey]

I see what your saying Liquid,but as Ive tried to point out,its not poverty as such,its how people talk there,and tribes
You dont want your ass coming home beaten in by a member of the other tribe
Its not even racism,where you try to oppress another person,which is really what racism is,or not wanting to associate with another race,which is also racism
You just dont want to let down your tribe,as it were,its almost a neighborhood thing,you dont want to let down the neighborhood by getting your ass kicked
Its just in Philly your neighborhood is decided by your race,so you just learn to say things like "white boy",and "black boy"
Hell everytime my grandfather got in to it legally he would tell me how he was getting his "jew lawyer",and he didnt even mean it as a bad thing,he was saying he had a better lawyer then the other guy
Christ,every time I was in lockup "hey white boy" was how theyd get my attention
If you dont know where he's coming from,dont say you know,because you dont

[Trainer Monkey]

I think your being very biased yourself
THAT IS HOW PEOPLE SPEAK IN THAT PART OF THE US
DO YOU GET IT NOW
MAYBE,JUST A LITTLE
BERNARD IS OLDER THEN I AM,AND I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE TALKING LIKE THAT
DO YOU FREAKING GET IT YET

Explain what he did to Trinidad then ?? stop making excuse's for him, i have hardly ever heard a black boxer from any part of the USA say *I won't let a white man beat me* maybe just maybe Hopkins is a racist ??

What he did with Trinidad was in excusable,and it wasnt race,it was nationality,and even Bernard acknowledged it
Trinidad has either alot of black,or alot of Indian in him,he isnt white,not even close