Worst Boxing Robberies. Fact.

[Drago]

Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1 France
Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez USA
Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 3 USA
Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes 2 USA
Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott 1 USA
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 2 USA
Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis 1 USA
John Ruiz vs Evander Holyfield 1 USA
George Foreman vs Shannon Briggs USA
Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Sturm USA
Robin Reid vs Sven Ottke Germany
Joel Casamayor vs Santa Cruz USA
James Toney vs Dave Tiberi USA
James Toney vs Montel Griffin 2 USA
Vernon Forrest vs Ike Quartey USA
Maurice Harris vs Larry Holmes USA
Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya 2 USA
Roy Jones Jr 1988 Seoul Olympics

i thought ODH won the first fight as well

[ICB]

Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1 France
Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez USA
Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 3 USA
Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes 2 USA
Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott 1 USA
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 2 USA
Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis 1 USA
John Ruiz vs Evander Holyfield 1 USA
George Foreman vs Shannon Briggs USA
Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Sturm USA
Robin Reid vs Sven Ottke Germany
Joel Casamayor vs Santa Cruz USA
James Toney vs Dave Tiberi USA
James Toney vs Montel Griffin 2 USA
Vernon Forrest vs Ike Quartey USA
Maurice Harris vs Larry Holmes USA
Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya 2 USA
Roy Jones Jr 1988 Seoul Olympics

i thought ODH won the first fight as well

Nah can't agree with that mate, i thought Shane Mosley won a close but clear win in there 1st meeting 7-5. He won the last 2 rounds especially the 12th round big. That earned him the win, but in the 2nd fight he simply wasn't letting his hands go, and ODLH out punched him 2 to 1 and for certain deserved the win.

[Drago]

ICB

oh well i thought he won 1st fight by 1 round it was defo close fight, but i aint seen that fight for a long time.

[Fenster]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

The past 70 world title fights in Germany has had the 'outsider' win by decision just 3 times. Altogether its 11 wins but 8 were KOs

Blimey, did you work that out yourself?

Good stuff mate.

It doesn't prove anything about robberies but it sure is an interesting statistic.

[ICB]

Oscar-Sturm - USA

Ahh..you beat me to that,but I have another one

George Foreman - Axel Schulz USA

Funny enough i watched this fight yesterday, i thought Axel Schulz was given a bit too much credit. Quite alot of his punches missed, and George Foreman won more of the early rounds than he was given credit for. And overall he did out land Axel Schulz.

IMO it was a very close fight, i thought George Foreman won most of the early rounds. With Axel Schulz winning most of the rounds in the 2nd part of the fight, if you watch the fight again try it without the commentary.

Because Axel Schulz didn't land as many punches, as you think he did. Although he still fought a very good fight, and took George Foreman's punches very well.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar-Sturm - USA

Ahh..you beat me to that,but I have another one

George Foreman - Axel Schulz USA

Funny enough i watched this fight yesterday, i thought Axel Schulz was given a bit too much credit. Quite alot of his punches missed, and George Foreman won more of the early rounds than he was given credit for. And overall he did out land Axel Schulz.

IMO it was a very close fight, i thought George Foreman won most of the early rounds. With Axel Schulz winning most of the rounds in the 2nd part of the fight, if you watch the fight again try it without the commentary.

Because Axel Schulz didn't land as many punches, as you think he did. Although he still fought a very good fight, and took George Foreman's punches very well.

i agree, i thought this fight was kinda like Lopez/Mtagwa, Lopez started out good and won the early rounds (like George), then from the 7th on it was pretty back and forth, eventually Mtagwa taking over (as did Scultz), but i felt both Foreman and Lopez did enough early to get the win on points