Anyone else bored of 'racism' yet?

[Kev]

I know you are probably sick of hearing it but Sepp Blatter demonstrates how people perceive the problem, that it is not a problem, can be forgotten and forgiven with a hand shake. Suarez has been charged and he has admitted calling him names that Evra’s colleague already called him, which is his defence. So from the sounds of things he will should be found guilty too.

I actually agree with Blatter. I'd far rather another player called me a white bastard than the fans chanted I was a pedo or even fat or ginger.

You would say that as you probably never faced racism before, look at your own example of the caddie and Tiger, no matter how successful Tiger is, the caddie things he is better/superior than him just because he is white.

Huh? How did you conclude that? Black people are incapable of being assholes is what you are saying then? The only way a white person could dislike a black man is because he is black?

[Kev]

Out of interest Master, can you explain to me why it is worse?

I mean say 5 people go to school. All are bullied. One is black. One is fat. One is ugly. One is gigner. (hang on I guess that means two are ugly now) One is gay.

They are all disliked by certain people at school as a direct result of these characteristics.

According to you, the black guy suffers a far worse time, his ordeal is more hurtful and severe because it is the colour of his skin they dn't like, rather than the amount of skin (fat boy), the hair growing out of the skin (ginger kid) the face that is coated in white skin (ugly boy) etc.

It seems to me that when it comes to name calling I would rather be disliked by someone for somwthing generic and non personal like my race, than something that is part of me directly, ugliness, sexuality, ginger hair, fat etc.

If the real racist element doesnt exist (no subjugation, denial of rights, having to hold an inferior status within your society) then it's just name calling.

I would argue that women in Saudi Arabia are treated far worse than black footballers or golfers in the UK or US. That's real sexism, the denial of rights. On the other hand David Cameron telling a female MP to 'Calm down dear' for example is not real sexism, as he's not subjugating or denying her any rights. She is equal in the eyes of British society.

I just hate that the trivial gets included within the serious.

[Rantcatrat]

The difference between saying you fat bastard or you black bastard is the historical context. I understand both are hurtful and maybe have the same point from the speaker but when you take into consideration the historical prejudice black people have endured in western countries, it has a different connotation. Really when you take into consideration the effect that race/religion has played in our society historically, referring to anyone by the color of their skin or their religious is different than their phsyical appearance. If a white guy said you "muslim bastard" to a practicing muslim, it's just different than saying you fat bastard even if the white guy didn't mean anything by it. Society places emphasis on the racial/religous differences betwee all of us for better or worse. Double standards are wrong though.

[Master]

I know you are probably sick of hearing it but Sepp Blatter demonstrates how people perceive the problem, that it is not a problem, can be forgotten and forgiven with a hand shake. Suarez has been charged and he has admitted calling him names that Evra’s colleague already called him, which is his defence. So from the sounds of things he will should be found guilty too.

I actually agree with Blatter. I'd far rather another player called me a white bastard than the fans chanted I was a pedo or even fat or ginger.

You would say that as you probably never faced racism before, look at your own example of the caddie and Tiger, no matter how successful Tiger is, the caddie things he is better/superior than him just because he is white.

Huh? How did you conclude that? Black people are incapable of being assholes is what you are saying then? The only way a white person could dislike a black man is because he is black?

If he simply thought he was an ass hole he would have just called him that.

[Master]

The difference between saying you fat bastard or you black bastard is the historical context. I understand both are hurtful and maybe have the same point from the speaker but when you take into consideration the historical prejudice black people have endured in western countries, it has a different connotation. Really when you take into consideration the effect that race/religion has played in our society historically, referring to anyone by the color of their skin or their religious is different than their phsyical appearance. If a white guy said you "muslim bastard" to a practicing muslim, it's just different than saying you fat bastard even if the white guy didn't mean anything by it. Society places emphasis on the racial/religous differences betwee all of us for better or worse. Double standards are wrong though.

True it works both ways, but some people do not even recognize one way.

[Rantcatrat]

For example, Bilbo, in Brooklyn recently, swastikas and KKK were spray-painted in a religious jewish area. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/ny...f=antisemitism Given the historical context, nazis killed millions of jews, the kkk strung jews up in the south, it is more hurtful than if the spray-paint was fat bastards.

[Master]

We have a very high profile case here being re-tried the murder of the black teenager Stephen Lawrence.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...BGlRH8tVEaoXiw

[Rantcatrat]

I do agree though that the race card is pulled way too frequently. I completely am with you on that one. I also agree that the double standard is ignored way too frequently. Imagine if Carl Froch took the key from Bernard and said he would never lose to a black boy. It would be endless outrage.

[El Kabong]

For example, Bilbo, in Brooklyn recently, swastikas and KKK were spray-painted in a religious jewish area. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/ny...f=antisemitism Given the historical context, nazis killed millions of jews, the kkk strung jews up in the south, it is more hurtful than if the spray-paint was fat bastards.

Woah now wait a damn minute...I don't like the KKK but I'm fairly certain they were more anti-black than anti-semite, now the Aryan Nation/Neo-Nazi's who mistakenly use the Battle Flag of the Confederacy to support their cause, THEY dislike the Jews.

I'll have you know, the Confederate States would have more than likely had a Jewish President as their 2nd or 3rd President. Judah P. Benjamin was the Treasurer of the C.S.A. and was well respected by all in the South.

The KKK started up POST Civil War (War of Northern Aggression) due to Reconstruction as all of the officers in the CSA's armed forces had the right to vote taken from them, and land owners got screwed too as Plantations were cut up and given away to carpet baggers and former slaves. Now eventually it degenerated into just a pure hate group, but the KKK had started out as people of wealth and class trying to reestablish political control over their land.


That said, all of the organizations I mentioned: KKK, Neo-Nazi's, Aryans, etc....they can all go rot in my opinion

[Kev]

For example, Bilbo, in Brooklyn recently, swastikas and KKK were spray-painted in a religious jewish area. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/ny...f=antisemitism Given the historical context, nazis killed millions of jews, the kkk strung jews up in the south, it is more hurtful than if the spray-paint was fat bastards.

Actually I completely agree with you on this, and with master regarding Stephen Lawrence. I would also see use of the N word as a direct racial attack. But footballers slagging each other off and a caddy slagging of his former employee and friend has no racial subtext imo and to claim so trivialises real racism.

As to the caddy just calling him an asshole if he wasn't racist rather than a black asshole I totally disagree. All insults are preceeded by a personal slur. It's very unnatural to make an insult without it. Try it. Do you call someone a bastard, or fat bastard, ugly bastard, ginger bastard, whiny bastard etc? There is always a descriptive that prefaces the swear word, always. It's always the thing that stands out to most define that person as well. For Tiger its being black.

[El Kabong]

For the record Luis Suarez called Patrice Evra "negrito" which is NOT racist in South American/Central American/Hispanic culture....so Evra is just a whiny little bastard with a delicate constitution

[generalbulldog]

Nah I'm not bored of it, I just think many of the situations are rather sad or amusing depending on the circumstances.


BTW, if I were to call Miles a whiny English cunt, am I being prejudice against the English? Or is that a descriptor?

[El Kabong]

Nah I'm not bored of it, I just think many of the situations are rather sad or amusing depending on the circumstances.


BTW, if I were to call Miles a whiny English cunt, am I being prejudice against the English? Or is that a descriptor?

So long as I can use this...



I'm ok

[Mark TKO]

never EVER call anyone English my friend. Especially if you are going to follow it with a derogatory noun.

Its just not acceptable any more

And you should know that

[ICB]

half-cast is racist ?