Does this make Margarito a coward?

[SalTheButcher]

Why didn't Floyd fight him earlier? Lets test our math.


4 million for Sharmba

6 plus million for Margarito fight

i think he sees it like this...

mitchell will never be worth more then 4 million in the future

if margarito beats a few better fighters and he becomes more well known, he could go far above 6 million

[Purist]

Can you honestly look at me and tell me margarito ducked COREY SPINKS No apology

I been telling you it since the beginning and even gave you the reasons and the facts why. So I can tell you this! Because you didn't defend yourself at all. You think gyro explained it better because you couldn't, and you are now back to the "touch streets raised so he ducks nobody." which has no valid arguement. I even gave you when there was attempts and inactivity periods which you still haven't proven to me why. But whatever, I already proved my point and you couldn't respond. Margarito ducked Spinks, end of story.

[gyrokai]

i think he sees it like this...

mitchell will never be worth more then 4 million in the future

if margarito beats a few better fighters and he becomes more well known, he could go far above 6 million

In other words, he's conciously avoiding Margarito because he can make easy paydays in the meantime.

[SalTheButcher]

more like he can make alot of money if margarito gets more exposure first, but a margarito he already beat wont be worth more in a rematch

[Purist]

"Margarito should have to fight a bigger name than Cintron, before getting a shot at Floyd."

He's the most consistent Welterweight alive. Nobody can argue against that without looking like a fool.
And now he needs to do more to earn a shot at Welterweight version Floyd?

I agree. Margarito does need a "bigger name" soon, but he's been asking for that name for years. He needs his chance.

If Margarito is not ready, and is so "green" as you guys say he is.

Why didn't Floyd fight him earlier? Lets test our math.


4 million for Sharmba

6 plus million for Margarito fight


That's more than a 2 million dollar raise for a fight?

Hmmmm... if Margarito is so "green," and such an easy fight... I think we should go with that fight instead. Why not, we can buy another house, with that extra 2 mill.

What does Mayweather do?

Fight Sharmba for 4 mill.

"but tell You what, I know how to count money" -Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Why won't Floyd fight him? because Floyd is a smart business man and knows he holds every advantage over Margarito and would beat him easily. he is waiting for a 10 million dollar promotion to beat Margarito up. Once he lets it get juicy to the point where he can get a LOT of money for it, he will fight and beat Margarito in an easy fight and walk away with 10 million dollars. It's why anyone fights those "avoided ones"

[SalTheButcher]

Why won't Floyd fight him? because Floyd is a smart business man and knows he holds every advantage over Margarito and would beat him easily. he is waiting for a 10 million dollar promotion to beat Margarito up. Once he lets it get juicy to the point where he can get a LOT of money for it, he will fight and beat Margarito in an easy fight and walk away with 10 million dollars. It's why anyone fights those "avoided ones"

yeah, thats what im sayin

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[Unknowndonor]

Yes. Sal is right. What happens to Margarito after Floyd beats him? Does he get any more big money fights? I think he gets forgotten{ he was all hype}. If he was to beat Spinks, and then lost to Floyd, he would still have some marketability. With four losses, I feel it would be in Margarito's best interest to take a big name he is more likely to beat, before he fights Floyd.

[gyrokai]

Yes. Sal is right. What happens to Margarito after Floyd beats him? Does he get any more big money fights? I think he gets forgotten{ he was all hype}. If he was to beat Spinks, and then lost to Floyd, he would still have some marketability. With four losses, I feel it would be in Margarito's best interest to take a big name he is more likely to beat, before he fights Floyd.

Boxing is one of the toughest sports, if not the toughest. Fighters disappear, become punch drunk, fail to reach their potential, lose everything. Thats boxing. It's one of the dirtiest sporting trades, if not the dirtiest. Once in awhile, a fighter gets his shot at the big time.

And now you Mayweather fans are trying to convince me, that a fight with Mayweather is a bad thing. But you don't say that. You say a "soon" fight with Mayweather is a bad thing. You find all the excuses and reasons why Margarito doesn't deserve a shot. He's only the most proven Welterweight on the planet! Oh, yeah, I forgot... he should wait. Listen to what you guys are saying. You are saying a chance to make it big, is a bad thing. One shot to tell everybody your worth someting. It's the reason why boxers fight. For that defining moment. And you guys are trying to convince me that Margarito isn't worth Mayweather's time. Well, I'm here to say that this fight is worth it's time. A rags and rugged fighter, gets his shot at a Prime Time HBO fighter. It's one of boxing's classic stories told time and time again.

No, Margarito has already proven himself. More than Sharmba and more than Judah whose record at Welterweight is 4-2, one loss to a nine loss journeyman. I'm not saying Mayweather Judah is a waste of time, hell no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Margarito deserves his shot at a premier fighter. If anybody thinks Mayweather is an all-time-great, then you should demand a Margarito fight. It's something all legends have done. Great fighters fight guys like Margarito without even a second thought about business. It's something legendary fighters did. It wasn't a big deal. They didn't have legions of fans, such as yourselves, telling fans like us why their fighter should avoid certain fights. Because if you think about it, thats what your saying. That Mayweather should avoid Margarito for future big paydays, even when Floyd can make multi-millions either way.

And if Mayweather, supposed pound-for-pound number one, future all-time-great, and multi-millionaire, won't step up, then perhaps Gatti's giant heart has to give yet another young kid a chance for fortune, much like he did Mayweather.

[gyrokai]

Do I have to bring out the Winky Wright, Marvin Hagler card?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Do I have to bring out the Winky Wright, Marvin Hagler card?

nope because unlike those two guys who actually beat some names margarito has beat who? kermit and lost to santos...yeah he deserves a shot....

a free pass to the knock-the-floyd-out lottery so i can cash in on his name since i haven't made one for myself even though i've been at ww for ten years and didn't fight anybody now after i saw i was getting my assskicked against a guy only 7 pounds bigger than me i want to try to do the same against a much smaller guy win or lose i will be able to retire because i only wanted money in the first place that's why i got into boxing at 15 instead of taking my dumbasss to amateur fights so i wouldn't risk having losses on my pro record that have cost me millions of dollars because no one thinks i'm worthy to fight the real good fighters only guy like cintron and santos but wait santos beat me

[Purist]

He's only the most proven Welterweight on the planet!

No he isn't. When's the last time he's been on any major network All he is is the JMM of the Welterweights.

Oh, yeah, I forgot... he should wait. Listen to what you guys are saying. You are saying a chance to make it big, is a bad thing. One shot to tell everybody your worth someting. It's the reason why boxers fight. For that defining moment. And you guys are trying to convince me that Margarito isn't worth Mayweather's time.

What I am saying is that would you rather have Margarito beaten into retirement for 6 million dollars, or for 10 million dollars.

Well, I'm here to say that this fight is worth it's time. A rags and rugged fighter, gets his shot at a Prime Time HBO fighter. It's one of boxing's classic stories told time and time again.

You DO know that Margarito also could have fought Jose Antonio Rivera right

No, Margarito has already proven himself. More than Sharmba and more than Judah whose record at Welterweight is 4-2, one loss to a nine loss journeyman.

Baldomir isn't a journeyman, and is better then Cintron And Lujan

I'm not saying Mayweather Judah is a waste of time, hell no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Margarito deserves his shot at a premier fighter.

yes and he didn't fight Rivera or Spinks, w/e, he had his chances. And he only seems to be calling out these guys when they have a fight scheduled.

If anybody thinks Mayweather is an all-time-great, then you should demand a Margarito fight. It's something all legends have done. Great fighters fight guys like Margarito without even a second thought about business.

Sure, but Floyd is a smarter business man, he'd rather destroy Margarito for 10 million then 6 million.

It's something legendary fighters did. It wasn't a big deal. They didn't have legions of fans, such as yourselves, telling fans like us why their fighter should avoid certain fights. Because if you think about it, thats what your saying. That Mayweather should avoid Margarito for future big paydays, even when Floyd can make multi-millions either way.

Sure, but it's wiser to fight Margarito for 10 million and shut him out then 6 million.

And if Mayweather, supposed pound-for-pound number one, future all-time-great, and multi-millionaire, won't step up, then perhaps Gatti's giant heart has to give yet another young kid a chance for fortune, much like he did Mayweather.

Sure Gatti can fight and beat Margarito for a 4 million dollar pay day and Margarito will get beaten by gatti and now he's nowhere. Margarito is no better then JMM. Who just got beat overseas. Once again, you all give Margarito too much credit. He hasn't beaten any guy in the top 20 since he turned pro Unless we're counting andrew Lewis. He got a title on a vacancy and the guy it belonged to beat Margarito when they finally fought each other. But you give Margarito credit because he claims he wants to fight somebody. But when he doesn't fight people like Rivera or Spinks I raise an eye brow to it. like what was said there's a difference between a verbal contract and a true contract and all margarito has done is talk "i want this guy, I want that guy' but neither he nor his promoter have tried to make these fights happen except with Mayweather. Anyone else you mention he hasn't tried to do. He's content with fighting the same old opponents that stand in front of him. Can you name me a true name that Margarito has beaten other then Andrew Lewis who had just been stopped by Mayorga Sure he should get a big fight but I am warning you that he is one dimentional and would be beaten easily.

[Wacko3205]

Here's the thing that you all keep forgetting & it's easy...you don't have to be an analyst & you don't have to bring up dates & dollars when they are & have been previously broadcast right in front of you...again...Margarito has done nothing to warrant a shot at Mayweather...reason being...Mayweather was firmly at the top of 140. He came up to fight Zab Judah...he fought Mitchell as a warm up for Judah on his way to Oscar.

He did not come up to fight Margarito or whoever else wants to cash in on Floyd's name...he is & was & will be on his way to Oscar where he will earn more than some paltry 6 mill to fight Margarito...a fight that (believe it or not) is not at the top of everyone's list & is surely not going to net him the 10 mill that he will more than likely get plus a percentage to the PPV gate.

The funny thing is this...Margarito would never garner that much bank nor will beating Oscar gain that much attention.

You people all know this because you are boxing fans & you know the name of the game for most fighters is to make a living & still stay alive & well.

In Floyd's own words: IF IT DON'T MAKE DOLLARS IT DON'T MAKE SENSE.

Oscar makes millions & millions of dollars...Margarito don't make sense.

[gyrokai]

Do I have to bring out the Winky Wright, Marvin Hagler card?

nope because unlike those two guys who actually beat some names margarito has beat who? kermit and lost to santos...yeah he deserves a shot....

Winky only beat names, because Shane gave him a shot.

Lets look at beforehand. Before he fought Shane.
Winky beat unproven Candelo. What else... hmmm Small man, Angel Hernandez. A lot of these went to decisions. And he lost to Vargas and Harry S.

Many of these fights were dominant performances, but not without Wright getting a little puffy in the face in the process. So what, he won the fights. No big names on his resume at the time, but he needed one. Just like Margarito, he needed for a prime-time fighter to give him his shot. Turned out, it was Mosley who would give it to him. People didn't think much of Winky back then, because that wasn't a pick'em fight at the time, he was the underdog. It was this chance that gave Winky his time to show what he really was. If he was bad, then all they nay-sayers were right. But as long as he got his shot, he could prove what he had, good or bad.

Hagler is another one. I don't think you know your history, so you can google that story up yourself.

[OumaFan]

Somebody will give Margarito a chance one of these days. Just not sure who will, PBF won't, Zab's NEVER mentioned his name, Hatton changes the subject very quickly whenever he's brought up. Mosley already turned him down and thats saying something considering Shane has always been willing to fight the best and even gave Winky his shot. For now its pointless to argue, we can't make fighters fight him. If he can't find a fight here, and he probably won't, he'll just have to move up to 154, fight a Karmazin, or an Ouma.

[gyrokai]

Did Shane Mosely wait for Winky to earn him 10 million?

Did Shane say to Winky, "If it makes dollars it makes sense, so wait your turn buddy."

That tells you what kind of fighter Shane is. He known as a fighter who gives up and comers their shot. He paid for it, but he holds great respect from the boxing community for it.

And this 10 million thing is a total arbitrary number brought up, and created by the Pretty Boy Fans.