Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!

[No Contest]

You didnt see Ray Mercer stop using Tommy Morrisons head as a punching bag when he was being held up by the ropes until the ref jumped in...same thing, its a killer instinct to put em out.

[Pavlik]

I just saw the knockdown in the 7th round via youtube, dang is Jay Nady blind?
Havent seen the whole fight yet but I'm pretty sure that fucked up round is crucial, Marquez is lucky. I feel bad for Barrera but I'm pretty impressed with his overall durability to survive that round and power dropping JMM with 1punch
I wanna see JMM PAC now

Whats your input on MAB hitting JMM while JMM was down?

deduct a point but score the knockdown at least it could have been a 10-9 round for MAB instead of the 10-8 for a knockdown. I'll give MAB the benefit of the doubt probably adrenalin rush, still foul, but MAB deserve the point for the knockdown.

[shza]

I just saw the knockdown in the 7th round via youtube, dang is Jay Nady blind?
Havent seen the whole fight yet but I'm pretty sure that fucked up round is crucial, Marquez is lucky. I feel bad for Barrera but I'm pretty impressed with his overall durability to survive that round and power dropping JMM with 1punch
I wanna see JMM PAC now

Whats your input on MAB hitting JMM while JMM was down?

deduct a point but score the knockdown at least it could have been a 10-9 round for MAB instead of the 10-8 for a knockdown. I'll give MAB the benefit of the doubt probably adrenalin rush, still foul, but MAB deserve the point for the knockdown.

I think that would have made it a 9-8 round (10-8 minus a point), but I do agree with you. Nady also should have stepped in immediately, regardless of whether he had (correctly) called it a KD or (incorrectly) called it a slip. That probably would have prevented the foul.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

My favourite part was when Barrera blatantly broke the rules by hitting Marquez full force whilst he was down . Then had the audacity to hold his arms up as if to say say " what did I do wrong "

You gotta love him for that . Plenty of times in the pasti've seen him getting told off like a naughty school boy .Most notably ramming Nas' head against the turnbuckle . He breaks the rules and then acts shocked as if he cant belive he is getting pulled up on it . Its class . Marco is legend !!!!!

but JMM wasn't knocked down so he's fair game and right to look to finish him

[SweetPea]

but JMM wasn't knocked down so he's fair game and right to look to finish him

Both his knees and gloves were touching the canvas. Whether Nady ruled it a knockdown or not is completely irrelevant. It's one of the most basic rules in boxing, you can't swing at a fighter who is down on the canvas. Marquez was down on the canvas.
Barrera has been a professional boxer for 18 years. He knows the rules of the sport. He chose not to follow them.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

then (as we know) Nady is incompetent & should have called break started a count stepped between them any of the above instead of napping. Protect yourself at all times

[SweetPea]

then (as we know) Nady is incompetent & should have called break started a count stepped between them any of the above instead of napping. Protect yourself at all times

Maybe Nady didn't think he needed to jump in between them right away. Maybe he expected an old pro like Barrera to be classy enough to not throw a dirty, gutless punch at a fighter who was down on the canvas.

It's OK for people to criticize Nady for not ruling it a knockdown, because it was a knockdown.
But when it comes to the punch that Barrera threw while Marquez was on the canvas, there is absolutely no one at fault other than Barrera. He deserves 100% of the blame and deserved to have a point deducted.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

rubbish. Gay Nady is there precisely for moments like that. If JMM is NOT down and under the protection of the ref then he's UP and a target. Why not issue a warning?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

amat wrote:

Now here's where a lot of people are going to disagree with me but I think that Nady dropped the ball on this one. Awesome ref but how long was Marquez in that awkward position without Nady stepping in? It was five seconds at least and Marquez was close to getting up. Barrera motioned to hit Marquez, he hesitated seemingly waiting for Nady to step in, he feinted pulled back again and still nothing from Nady until Barrera was moving forward already. Protect yourself at all times and Nady wasn't calling a knockdown. I didn't have that much of a problem with what Barrera did because of how awkward of a position Marquez was in and how Nady waited forever to step in. I thought he deserved a warning and obviously should have been credited with the knockdown.


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SPea. I'm not the only one thinking this way.

[Memphis]

Then that makes two of you who are wrong

I think your clinging on to the vaguest of technicalities here. Had it been against the ropes then it is possibly understandable as that is where these kinds of incidents take place, is he down or is he against the ropes? They were practically center rind and Barrera took a swipe at a man who was doubled over with his hands on the deck. Totally undefendable.

I think amat should take another look at the fight with a stop watch. If more than a second passed before Nady was grabbing Barrera then Im a Chinaman.

[SweetPea]

Memphis makes an important point about the timing. It's not like this all happened in a split second. If Marquez had gone down, and Barrera had swung at him a second later, you could understand it. You could say that it happened really fast and Barrera didn't have time to realize that Marquez was on the canvas.

But that's not how it happened. Marquez went down from a punch (and Barrera obviously knew he went down from a punch, because he's the one who threw the punch that knocked him down) and then Barrera stood over him for several seconds. That's more than enough time for Barrera to realize that Marquez was on the canvas.

As I said before, there is only one person to blame for the illegal punch, and that's Barrera. He's a smart fighter and he has been fighting for a looooooong time. He knows the rules, he knows when a guy is on the canvas or not. He CHOSE not to follow a rule. Just like he chose to grab Hamed by the neck and ram him headfirst into the turnbuckle.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

See, neither of you agree, was it a second or several seconds? Either way it's the same, bad ref'ing and the boxer doing what they should, less than a second it's reflexive more than that yes they choose BECAUSE the ref hasn't called it as a down or called break. If it's neither of those then it's legit.

If he's touching down then the ref steps in calls it a count or dusts down the guys gloves but he did nothing. So why not follow up?

It wasn't a knock down as the ref did not call it as such. Barrera waited for the ref to call it, he didn't call it, JMM is now bent over and still the ref didn't step in so Barrera hit him. Why not?

You're saying boxers should self regulate? then why bother with refs?

[Memphis]

Not self regulate, just stick to the rules, he should know them by now. It is illegal to hit a fighter who is down or in the process of getting up, thats the bottom line here.

The only instruction he has to give is to send Barrera to a neutral corner, which he did.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Not self regulate, just stick to the rules, he should know them by now. It is illegal to hit a fighter who is down or in the process of getting up, thats the bottom line here.

The only instruction he has to give is to send Barrera to a neutral corner, which he did.

if he had fallen down, then I agree, if he had been knocked down (and it was called) and was getting up I would agree but it was neither of those cases. Who checks to see if their gloves are on the floor when they're bent over at the waist and in the process of rising? Target, hit it.

[SweetPea]

if he had fallen down, then I agree, if he had been knocked down (and it was called) and was getting up I would agree but it was neither of those cases. Who checks to see if their gloves are on the floor when they're bent over at the waist and in the process of rising? Target, hit it.

He did go down!!!
He went down from a punch, his knees (and gloves) clearly hit the canvas. He was getting up, and got clocked by a dirty punch.
When an opponent hits the canvas, whether it's because of a knockdown, a slip, a push, or whatever.... you wait for him to stand up and get back on his feet. You don't hover over him with your right hand cocked back, ready to sucker punch him.

The people who are defending Barrera in this instance either:
a. haven't seen the tape of what happened
or
b. are even more in love with Barrera than Jim Lampley