Joe Calzaghe invites Kelly Pavlik to Cardiff.

[ICB]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

[Fenster]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

Now list Calzaghe's best wins....(I know you think they're all shit, but the best of the shitsters)

[ICB]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

Now list Calzaghe's best wins....(I know you think they're all S***, but the best of the shitsters)

Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Jeff Lacy
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit
Byron Mitchell
Omar Sheika

[Fenster]

Nice one

Roys best
Griffin
Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Ruiz
Pazienza

Hopkins best
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

Calzaghe best
Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Jeff Lacy
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit
Byron Mitchell
Omar Sheika

[ICB]

Nice one

Roys best
Montel Griffin
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa
Thomas Tate
Mike McCallum Old


Hopkins best
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

Calzaghe best
Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Jeff Lacy
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit
Byron Mitchell
Omar Sheika

Fixed

[Fenster]

Nice one

Roys best
Montel Griffin
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill
John Ruiz
Vinny Pazienza
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa
Thomas Tate
Mike McCallum Old


Hopkins best
Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

Calzaghe best
Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Jeff Lacy
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer
Mario Veit
Byron Mitchell
Omar Sheika

Fixed

Actually can you just pick a top 5 for each man. Cheers. Just number them.

[ICB]

Sure mate.


Roy Jones

James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
John Ruiz


Bernard Hopkins

Antonio Tarver
Felix Trinidad
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Keith Holmes


Joe Calzaghe

Chris Eubank
Jeff Lacy
Robin Reid
Charles Brewer
Richie Woodhall

[helminth]

He wants to make Kelly Pavlik hungry to go up and fight him. Then, if Pavlik did which he shouldn't, Joe would back out like a little wimpy ladyboy.

Ur Knoledge and insight is so graet that my brain could not comprehend it's logic.
In fact it was so far beyond the reaches of my mind it apopears in my eyes to be total b******t.

Nevermind

[Bomp]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

I think the point Fenster is trying to make by bringing up Roy and B-hop is that you can criticise anyone's career if you look closely enough. He's probably annoyed like me about some of the earlier posts in this thread by some of the other guys which were just pure hate and criticism without any logical argument to back it up, like saying JC's a wimp and has never fought anyone that was a danger to him. Can't argue with guys like that, they'd still find something wrong with him if he knocked out Kess, Pav and B-hop in the same night, that's why I didn't get involved in this thread earlier.

Anyways, just a couple of points in defence of some of the defences JC has made (though you can't defend all of them). You mention Clinton as one of Roy's goodish defences, though you don't mention Starie who JC fought even though he inflicted Clinton's 1st defeat. Also Eastman is considered as one of Hopkins better opponents, even though he would have lost to Ashira if it wasn't for some dodgy judging, a guy that Calzaghe was rightly ridiculed for taking on.

I only mention those guys because one of the arguments to discredit JC's reign was including looking up some past opponent of Sheika's who beat him on boxrec, though it had no inclination on the guys form coming into the JC fight.

I don't mind people criticising some of JC's career choices, but calling him a wimp is unnacceptable, especially considering he took on Lacy, a guy that was considered AT THE TIME, as the most dangerous opponent he can face, and also the fact that he's doing the same again by facing Kessler.

If he beats Kessler, his name will rightly be mentioned alongside the likes of Hagler, Roy and B-hop in boxing history, as his record will stand up to just as much scrutiny as theirs.

[Fenster]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

I think the point Fenster is trying to make by bringing up Roy and B-hop is that you can criticise anyone's career if you look closely enough. He's probably annoyed like me about some of the earlier posts in this thread by some of the other guys which were just pure hate and criticism without any logical argument to back it up, like saying JC's a wimp and has never fought anyone that was a danger to him. Can't argue with guys like that, they'd still find something wrong with him if he knocked out Kess, Pav and B-hop in the same night, that's why I didn't get involved in this thread earlier.

Anyways, just a couple of points in defence of some of the defences JC has made (though you can't defend all of them). You mention Clinton as one of Roy's goodish defences, though you don't mention Starie who JC fought even though he inflicted Clinton's 1st defeat. Also Eastman is considered as one of Hopkins better opponents, even though he would have lost to Ashira if it wasn't for some dodgy judging, a guy that Calzaghe was rightly ridiculed for taking on.

I only mention those guys because one of the arguments to discredit JC's reign was including looking up some past opponent of Sheika's who beat him on boxrec, though it had no inclination on the guys form coming into the JC fight.

I don't mind people criticising some of JC's career choices, but calling him a wimp is unnacceptable, especially considering he took on Lacy, a guy that was considered AT THE TIME, as the most dangerous opponent he can face, and also the fact that he's doing the same again by facing Kessler.

If he beats Kessler, his name will rightly be mentioned alongside the likes of Hagler, Roy and B-hop in boxing history, as his record will stand up to just as much scrutiny as theirs.

Nice one, Bomp. David Starie through Clinton Woods was exactly where I was going...

But in the end, what's the point if people can't see the hypocrisy in their own arguments.. waste of time.

[Bomp]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

I think the point Fenster is trying to make by bringing up Roy and B-hop is that you can criticise anyone's career if you look closely enough. He's probably annoyed like me about some of the earlier posts in this thread by some of the other guys which were just pure hate and criticism without any logical argument to back it up, like saying JC's a wimp and has never fought anyone that was a danger to him. Can't argue with guys like that, they'd still find something wrong with him if he knocked out Kess, Pav and B-hop in the same night, that's why I didn't get involved in this thread earlier.

Anyways, just a couple of points in defence of some of the defences JC has made (though you can't defend all of them). You mention Clinton as one of Roy's goodish defences, though you don't mention Starie who JC fought even though he inflicted Clinton's 1st defeat. Also Eastman is considered as one of Hopkins better opponents, even though he would have lost to Ashira if it wasn't for some dodgy judging, a guy that Calzaghe was rightly ridiculed for taking on.

I only mention those guys because one of the arguments to discredit JC's reign was including looking up some past opponent of Sheika's who beat him on boxrec, though it had no inclination on the guys form coming into the JC fight.

I don't mind people criticising some of JC's career choices, but calling him a wimp is unnacceptable, especially considering he took on Lacy, a guy that was considered AT THE TIME, as the most dangerous opponent he can face, and also the fact that he's doing the same again by facing Kessler.

If he beats Kessler, his name will rightly be mentioned alongside the likes of Hagler, Roy and B-hop in boxing history, as his record will stand up to just as much scrutiny as theirs.

Nice one, Bomp. David Starie through Clinton Woods was exactly where I was going...

But in the end, what's the point if people can't see the hypocrisy in their own arguments.. waste of time.

Agreed, I'm actually tired of the same old debates, if you can actually call them that. cc

[Dark Lord Al]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?

No i just do a list and put Woods in it but i rate it goodish win like i said.


Hopkins best wins ??


Felix Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Oscar Dela Hoya
Winky Wright
Howard Eastman
William Joppy
Autwun Echols
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Antonio Tarver

I think the point Fenster is trying to make by bringing up Roy and B-hop is that you can criticise anyone's career if you look closely enough. He's probably annoyed like me about some of the earlier posts in this thread by some of the other guys which were just pure hate and criticism without any logical argument to back it up, like saying JC's a wimp and has never fought anyone that was a danger to him. Can't argue with guys like that, they'd still find something wrong with him if he knocked out Kess, Pav and B-hop in the same night, that's why I didn't get involved in this thread earlier.

Anyways, just a couple of points in defence of some of the defences JC has made (though you can't defend all of them). You mention Clinton as one of Roy's goodish defences, though you don't mention Starie who JC fought even though he inflicted Clinton's 1st defeat. Also Eastman is considered as one of Hopkins better opponents, even though he would have lost to Ashira if it wasn't for some dodgy judging, a guy that Calzaghe was rightly ridiculed for taking on.

I only mention those guys because one of the arguments to discredit JC's reign was including looking up some past opponent of Sheika's who beat him on boxrec, though it had no inclination on the guys form coming into the JC fight.

I don't mind people criticising some of JC's career choices, but calling him a wimp is unnacceptable, especially considering he took on Lacy, a guy that was considered AT THE TIME, as the most dangerous opponent he can face, and also the fact that he's doing the same again by facing Kessler.

If he beats Kessler, his name will rightly be mentioned alongside the likes of Hagler, Roy and B-hop in boxing history, as his record will stand up to just as much scrutiny as theirs.

Nice one, Bomp. David Starie through Clinton Woods was exactly where I was going...

But in the end, what's the point if people can't see the hypocrisy in their own arguments.. waste of time.

Agreed, I'm actually tired of the same old debates, if you can actually call them that. cc

Lol you are a smart one bomp lol
if your tired of this subject then why keep posting u are keeping the subject on the front page you idiot !!!!!!!!