Whats all the hype about calzaghe????

[ICB]

WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys

Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.

Eubank was well passed it.

Bika, Salem.....who?

Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.

But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.

Nothing wrong with supporting a member...but by his own admission he stated that he worded his post rather harshly or wrong.

If you stop to think about it...he got replied to immediately & forcefully because he was ripping into many fans favorite fighters.

You have to expect responses that you are not going to like when you do that.

1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?

2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I totally disagree no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight and Salem had no wins against top opposition he lost to Veit, Echols, Salem was never that good even prospect Bute done away with Salem in 8.

Reid was a hot and cold fighter he didn't look impressive getting outboxed by 42 year old Sugar Boy Malinga before Calzaghe fight and i never thought Reid was World Class anyway i always thought he was a step below world class.

[JT Rock]

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

[ICB]

Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.

[Gandalf]

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

[Wacko3205]

WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys

Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.

Eubank was well passed it.

Bika, Salem.....who?

Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.

But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.

Nothing wrong with supporting a member...but by his own admission he stated that he worded his post rather harshly or wrong.

If you stop to think about it...he got replied to immediately & forcefully because he was ripping into many fans favorite fighters.

You have to expect responses that you are not going to like when you do that.

1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?

2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I totally disagree no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight and Salem had no wins against top opposition he lost to Veit, Echols, Salem was never that good even prospect Bute done away with Salem in 8.

Reid was a hot and cold fighter he didn't look impressive getting outboxed by 42 year old Sugar Boy Malinga before Calzaghe fight and i never thought Reid was World Class anyway i always thought he was a step below world class.

That's where you are wrong. You can't say "no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight" just because you hadn't or didn't think he was a big enough name. That's been a blanket statement of Calzaghe's detractors & it's just wrong...no offense...it's silly.

Salem had held the NABO, NABF, IBF, or NBA or one of those belts obscure inter-dimensional titles & was a contender for one of the big belts at the time...trust me babe...he was ranked somewhere...I'll bust out tape at the house & see if I can find it.

The fact remains that in their time & the time that Calzaghe dispatched them they were something & they had held titles, were ranked, & were fighting for straps. Viet & Echols were somebody's also. They produced some good scraps & were all ranked.

I hate to split hairs like this but the facts are that they were all contenders & game opposition when Joe battered them.

[JT Rock]

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

Why am I wrong? tell me where I am wrong, this all happened, tell me where I did not base my opinion on fact... Calzaghe is a lovem or hatem fighter. some thinks he is Superman others think he is mediocre at best. I think he is mediocre and ordinary. Thats my opinion based on the TRUE events that have unfolded before mine and the worlds eyes.

[Wacko3205]

Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.

Good point. Joe did face everyone in his division & it's not his fault that it was a weak era. Eubank has some interesting things to say about Joe & they are generally positive & in his favor. Agreed & I can't believe that I actually forgot to mention that.

Ottke was mortified of Joe...that aint subjective or biased either...he knew he had to keep his record & he knew that Joe was gunning for him.

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

Good points miles...& yes JT is wrong...but his favorite fighter is Lacy...so you can't blame him for being upset. I know that I was when Joe just utterly destroyed him...but if I aint mistaken...I tried to ease everyone the idea that that was a HUGE possibility.

[ICB]

WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys

Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.

Eubank was well passed it.

Bika, Salem.....who?

Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.

But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.

Nothing wrong with supporting a member...but by his own admission he stated that he worded his post rather harshly or wrong.

If you stop to think about it...he got replied to immediately & forcefully because he was ripping into many fans favorite fighters.

You have to expect responses that you are not going to like when you do that.

1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?

2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I totally disagree no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight and Salem had no wins against top opposition he lost to Veit, Echols, Salem was never that good even prospect Bute done away with Salem in 8.

Reid was a hot and cold fighter he didn't look impressive getting outboxed by 42 year old Sugar Boy Malinga before Calzaghe fight and i never thought Reid was World Class anyway i always thought he was a step below world class.

That's where you are wrong. You can't say "no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight" just because you hadn't or didn't think he was a big enough name. That's been a blanket statement of Calzaghe's detractors & it's just wrong...no offense...it's silly.

Salem had held the NABO, NABF, IBF, or NBA or one of those belts obscure inter-dimensional titles & was a contender for one of the big belts at the time...trust me babe...he was ranked somewhere...I'll bust out tape at the house & see if I can find it.

The fact remains that in their time & the time that Calzaghe dispatched them they were something & they had held titles, were ranked, & were fighting for straps. Viet & Echols were somebody's also. They produced some good scraps & were all ranked.

I hate to split hairs like this but the facts are that they were all contenders & game opposition when Joe battered them.

That's where you are wrong. You can't say "no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight" just because you hadn't or didn't think he was a big enough name. That's been a blanket statement of Calzaghe's detractors & it's just wrong...no offense...it's silly.

Wacko it wasn't just me i remember i was the first one the post up the news he was fighting Bika and everyone on this forum was saying Bika who ?? i wish i could find the thread so i can show you what i mean im not a Calzaghe hater im just telling you what i think.

Salem had held the NABO, NABF, IBF, or NBA or one of those belts obscure inter-dimensional titles & was a contender for one of the big belts at the time...trust me babe...he was ranked somewhere...I'll bust out tape at the house & see if I can find it.

He was mediocre all he was good at was being dirty fighter and he had quite a bit of power but thats it he was never any good Wacko.


The fact remains that in their time & the time that Calzaghe dispatched them they were something & they had held titles, were ranked, & were fighting for straps. Viet & Echols were somebody's also. They produced some good scraps & were all ranked.

I hate to split hairs like this but the facts are that they were all contenders & game opposition when Joe battered them.

I totally agree with this Wacko let me copy and paste what i said just a minute ago.

Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.

[El Gamo]

JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.

Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!

[The Rookie Fan]

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

You are only kidding yourself here.

1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.

2) Kessler is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.

[JT Rock]

Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.

Good point. Joe did face everyone in his division & it's not his fault that it was a weak era. Eubank has some interesting things to say about Joe & they are generally positive & in his favor. Agreed & I can't believe that I actually forgot to mention that.

Ottke was mortified of Joe...that aint subjective or biased either...he knew he had to keep his record & he knew that Joe was gunning for him.

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

Good points miles...& yes JT is wrong...but his favorite fighter is Lacy...so you can't blame him for being upset. I know that I was when Joe just utterly destroyed him...but if I aint mistaken...I tried to ease everyone the idea that that was a HUGE possibility.

Dont even go there I had given and given Calzaghe his props over and over and still do you want to call me on the carpet. your responses(Miles,Wacko) are no different than mine who annointed you two Boxing Gods please Its funny how we are all spin doctors and pro backer offers when it comes to our hereos .

Not to mention you cant(Miles,Wacko) even counter with an intelligent argument, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE OF YOU EXPRESSED DISPLEASURE OVER CALZAGHE'S LAST 2 OPPONENTS and how he followed up the Lacy smattering.. I especially know you were Wacko, so dont even try to turn tail

[Wacko3205]

WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys

Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.

Eubank was well passed it.

Bika, Salem.....who?

Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.

But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.

Nothing wrong with supporting a member...but by his own admission he stated that he worded his post rather harshly or wrong.

If you stop to think about it...he got replied to immediately & forcefully because he was ripping into many fans favorite fighters.

You have to expect responses that you are not going to like when you do that.

1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?

2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.

Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.

S*** happens.

I totally disagree no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight and Salem had no wins against top opposition he lost to Veit, Echols, Salem was never that good even prospect Bute done away with Salem in 8.

Reid was a hot and cold fighter he didn't look impressive getting outboxed by 42 year old Sugar Boy Malinga before Calzaghe fight and i never thought Reid was World Class anyway i always thought he was a step below world class.

That's where you are wrong. You can't say "no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight" just because you hadn't or didn't think he was a big enough name. That's been a blanket statement of Calzaghe's detractors & it's just wrong...no offense...it's silly.

Salem had held the NABO, NABF, IBF, or NBA or one of those belts obscure inter-dimensional titles & was a contender for one of the big belts at the time...trust me babe...he was ranked somewhere...I'll bust out tape at the house & see if I can find it.

The fact remains that in their time & the time that Calzaghe dispatched them they were something & they had held titles, were ranked, & were fighting for straps. Viet & Echols were somebody's also. They produced some good scraps & were all ranked.

I hate to split hairs like this but the facts are that they were all contenders & game opposition when Joe battered them.

That's where you are wrong. You can't say "no one had even heard of Bika before Calzaghe fight" just because you hadn't or didn't think he was a big enough name. That's been a blanket statement of Calzaghe's detractors & it's just wrong...no offense...it's silly.

Wacko it wasn't just me i remember i was the first one the post up the news he was fighting Bika and everyone on this forum was saying Bika who ?? i wish i could find the thread so i can show you what i mean im not a Calzaghe hater im just telling you what i think.

Salem had held the NABO, NABF, IBF, or NBA or one of those belts obscure inter-dimensional titles & was a contender for one of the big belts at the time...trust me babe...he was ranked somewhere...I'll bust out tape at the house & see if I can find it.

He was mediocre all he was good at was being dirty fighter and he had quite a bit of power but thats it he was never any good Wacko.


The fact remains that in their time & the time that Calzaghe dispatched them they were something & they had held titles, were ranked, & were fighting for straps. Viet & Echols were somebody's also. They produced some good scraps & were all ranked.

I hate to split hairs like this but the facts are that they were all contenders & game opposition when Joe battered them.

I totally agree with this Wacko let me copy and paste what i said just a minute ago.

Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.

Keep your pannies on sweetness!

I'm not saying your'e a hater & I aint directin this @ you 100%. I'm saying that Calzaghe's detractor's try to break down his opposition & they don't really check into the opposition or what they were when Joe beat them.

I didn't call you a hater either. When we are discussing things let's get clear that when I say YOU...I should say most people. When we are haggling over details...don't think that I am sitting here getting pissed off or bitter & trying to one up you in a discussion. I am just discussing. Passing along to you what I know or have heard during the matches...you see what I mean?

I'm not meaning that you are a hater in general nor am I attacking you...I'm just discussing the matter at hand.

[ICB]

back Wacko this is how i see it you can only beat the man infront of you Calzaghe has never ducked anyone and has beaten all the challengers that needed beating its shame Calzaghe wasn't in the era of Eubank, Benn, Collins, Watson, and Calzaghe himself has said he wished he could of been in that era i know i do slate Calzaghe sometimes but i have never said he hasn't beaten the best in his division even if it has been weak era its not his fault he can't help it i also think Calzaghe is very talented fighter and is exciting to watch i know i have picked Kessler to win but it would be nice for Calzaghe to finally get respect and a win over Kessler will do that all i can say is good luck to both Calzaghe and Kessler.

[Wacko3205]

Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be

Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

Why am I wrong? tell me where I am wrong, this all happened, tell me where I did not base my opinion on fact... Calzaghe is a lovem or hatem fighter. some thinks he is Superman others think he is mediocre at best. I think he is mediocre and ordinary. Thats my opinion based on the TRUE events that have unfolded before mine and the worlds eyes.

I know what you mean when you say it by the things you have posted in the past...by mediocre you pretty much mean shit.

Just remember that that mediocre fighter totally tore through one of OUR favorites when he destroyed Lacy.

Put things into perspective now, my son. Heh heh heh.

I had to live with the loss too. It's time you wash off that hate with a big ole' bar of Welsh soap & let it go.

[El Gamo]

1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.

That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.

2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.

He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.

You are only kidding yourself here.

1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.

2) Kessler is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.

Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!