Debate for MMWC Light Heavyweight Championship

[JT Rock]

Bika, Bute, Green etc

Well rainman without the mathskills, those above mentioned guys are Supermiddles not lightheavies... If we were talking all supermiddles they would be in the convo but they are not are they

So again you arm chair boxrec commando we never see eye to eye unless it is killing rabid possesed babies :P

Yup you are indeed correct. All of the light heavyweight Diaconu's top rated 'opponent's were beaten up by SMALLER MEN. He's padded his record by fighting little guys who shouldn't even be in the weight class anyway.

Great way to argue your point there big guy, probably best for you that you quit when you did

What did you say? Boxrec is your homepage? thats what I thought. :blah:

It's an all too common event when a lesser man has run out of ideas and has nothing constructive to say that he resorts to personal jibes and petty putdowns.

You are the Zab Judah of debators, good against the no hopers but step up in class and you look for a way to get yourself disqualified.

Nice. To all debaters out there. That's what's called delivering the death blow.

Thanks VD, I'm doing well it seems whupping both the heavyweight and former lightheavyweight champs on the same night

YOU ARE THE LIBERACE OF POSTERS....ACTING ALL FLASHY, BUT AT THE END OF THE NIGHT YOUR STILL TAKEN IT THE AZZ

[Kev]

Bika, Bute, Green etc

Well rainman without the mathskills, those above mentioned guys are Supermiddles not lightheavies... If we were talking all supermiddles they would be in the convo but they are not are they

So again you arm chair boxrec commando we never see eye to eye unless it is killing rabid possesed babies :P

Yup you are indeed correct. All of the light heavyweight Diaconu's top rated 'opponent's were beaten up by SMALLER MEN. He's padded his record by fighting little guys who shouldn't even be in the weight class anyway.

Great way to argue your point there big guy, probably best for you that you quit when you did

What did you say? Boxrec is your homepage? thats what I thought. :blah:

It's an all too common event when a lesser man has run out of ideas and has nothing constructive to say that he resorts to personal jibes and petty putdowns.

You are the Zab Judah of debators, good against the no hopers but step up in class and you look for a way to get yourself disqualified.

Nice. To all debaters out there. That's what's called delivering the death blow.

Thanks VD, I'm doing well it seems whupping both the heavyweight and former lightheavyweight champs on the same night

YOU ARE THE LIBERACE OF POSTERS....ACTING ALL FLASHY, BUT AT THE END OF THE NIGHT YOUR STILL TAKEN IT THE AZZ

Yup maybe so but I make them fuck me!

Look what I made Gandalf do

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[JT Rock]

Pitcher, Catcher, Switch Hitter I know you play them all

[Kev]

Pitcher, Catcher, Switch Hitter I know you play them all

I have no shame

[DaxxKahn]

Erm ok so you're debating me now? Ok whatever I'll go with it.


You started debating our topic you half wit hole dweller.....What ever that over sized Wizard has been giving you is ruining your train of thought man!!!


You paint an incredibly rosy picture regarding his record. It's funny how when a guy like say Sergio Mora fights a guy after unbeaten prospects have already beaten him he's labelled a bum and is clearly fighting no hopers, but in Diaconu's case put him in with a guy like Andre Thysse who had already lost
to Brian Magee, Marcus Beyer, Mikkel Kessler, Juuergen Braehmer and Lucian Bute he's a fighter whose clearly learned from those losses and so is a decent test for Diaconu

The kind of opponents Diaconu has been in with are 'opponents' nothing more. Just journeyman fighters who know their way around the ring enough not to get KO'd early and know their way around the business well enough not to jeopordise their 'popular trial horse' tag and actually try to win.

With the exception of Rico Hoye all of his opponents were walkovers for a decent prospect. Before Hoye he fought Rivera, Thysse and Heyman whose recent records are dire to say the least. Riveria's last 4 bouts 1-3, Thysse 0-4, Heyman 1-3.

Like I say jobbers.

As for Diaconu, at 30 years of age, only 5ft 9 and being an Eastern European born fighter his statistics don't look particularly impressive to me.

Apart from the suprise demolition of Rico Hoye Diaconu has never really produced that kind of power punching form before. And if we go on recent Eastern European examples history would be against him also.

We recently saw a highly touted super middleweight prospect make his Showtime debut. Victor Oganov coming in with an incredible record of 25-0 25 KO's. Sadly his big break ended with him being broken up by a fringe contender at best in Fulgencio Zuniga, derailed before he had barely set out from his destination.

Who is to suggest that Diaconu could not suffer the same fate when put in with a real live opponent?

For me I'd rather look for a 'prospect' from among those fighters who have proven themselves against decent opposition. Taking a gamble that this guy, unlike Oganov, unlike Miranda, unlike Andrade, unlike Rey Bautista, unlike Brian Viloria, unlike Carlos Quintana and unlike Joel Julio may actually be one of those prospects that really breaks through is not my style.

When I want to invest trust (or money) in something I need to see concrete evidence that what I'm investing in has the goods and has already shown REAL evidence of producing.

Looking at the division right now I'd say that recent super middleweight contender Danny Green has the tools do something in this division. Yes I know he's older at 34 and yes I know he has losses but we also know that he's got a proven chin, frightening power and has a wealth of experience and has grown as a fighter.

His losses have both been to world champions, one of whom he should have soundly beaten but for the disqualification. Although he started too late in the rematch with Beyer when he finally decided to abandon his boxing and go for broke he almost had Beyer out of there again.

He's a better fighter now, and is at his natural weight class finally.

Against the current crop of champions in the division Green's power and pressure could really tell over 12 rounds. With Bernard Hopkins almost certainly not fighting at 175 lbs again the champions consist of Tarver, Dawson and little known Zolt Erdi.

Green will get his shot against Tarver on Decemeber 1st and for me is a real live underdog in this fight.

Tarver looked mediocre in despatching Elvir Muriqi and Green is a big step above him.

It's entirely possible that Greens workrate and power will have Tarver fading down the stretch.

In a fight between Diaconu and Danny Green right now, I'd pick Danny Green, a proven chin against world class opposition and 22 KO's in 24 wins Green would be the smart money pick in a fight between the two imo.



Yes it is a roset picture because Diaconu and his team have began planting a garden just waitinng to bloom...Seriously with a 24-0 record and the state of the division who is he going to fight?....he is not ready for the top tier yet hence forth the word "Prospect" and even if he was there is a line of guys out there looking for the big money "If there is any" in the LHW division first....

Adrian is doing what he should learning from guys who have been in with better competition....That would be like saying if he was at 140 and fought Augustus the fight would be against a jobber because of the 29 nlosses on his resume?...NO!

your train of thought with this is all part of what hurts fighters....WTF is the rush for a title shot?....So you get ruined by a champion that has been in the game much longer and been at the top tier 5 or 6 years?...Then your fighter gets mentaly ruined....Gain the experience and this way when your time comes like I stated beforew you are 100% ready with no excuses like "He needed a few more fights" or any of the others you hear so often....The LHW division is weak but the guys who happen to float near the top Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson ect are all world class they have all been in with the absolute best.....They will all be leaving soon enough.....no need to jump the gun...and if they are here in 2 or so years thats OK too because by then Diaconu will have more experience and will have been in witha a few more guys with the experience he needs to gain from.....

You criticize his opp but you have yet to show or point out any weakness on Diaconu himself?.....Even Roy jones while being the best in the world fought Richard Frazier?.......I suppose his career is full of Jobbers to?