Haye v Arreola anybody?

[Mr140]

How is it that a Cw weight champion who stuggled and even lost in his division going to clean of the Heavyweight division i just do get it. Say what you want about Wlad but the heayweight division is stronger then the CW yet again not saying to much because CW is a hand me down.

[El Kabong]

It's a British Delusion of Grandure....they want to be in on the "ground floor" so to speak for the next British Heavyweight champion, I do recall they had that chance with Lennox Lewis but since he beat poor Frank Bruno the hero of Britan, the fans only begrudeonly accepted him until he became THE Champ and then of course the flag of England blew with the Lennox Lewis breeze.

[RozzySean]

David Haye was successful at CW because he is an incredible athlete and at the time he unified the division, he was up against weak or old competition. Mormeck in his prime would have battered Haye. Enzo was overhyped and his last loss proved who he is.

Haye has speed and he has at least some power in both hands, at least at CW. That's really about it. The Bonin and Barrett fights show us nothing about his punching power at HW. Bonin sucks and Barrett is the same size as him and washed up. Talk about 'domestic level' talent? What the heck are Bonin, Barrett, and Enzo? The only "world class" guy Haye ever beat was a washed up Mormeck. To borrow from Fenster - Fact.

There is no evidence to suggest he can bang with the big boys. Comparing him to the smaller HW's, He doesn't have much skill or defense like Eddie Chambers, and he doesn't have the workrate and conditioning of Povetkin. Against a fighter with a top level jab (like Wlad), he will have no way to reach him. He doesn't use his jab to set anything up. He either attacks blindly or waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If he were a baseball player, I'd call him a mistake hitter. If the pitcher makes his pitch, he can't do anything, but he can crush a hanging curve ball. The most of the guys he's been in with hang plenty of curve balls for him.

Arreola has been fighting legit HW's his entire career. Yes, he has turned up disgracefully fat in a few fights. He's also turned up in decent shape for his biggest step ups, aside from McCline. I suspect he may have left some weight on for the McCline fight because McCline is so big. Arreola crushed McCline. Granted, he was shot, but he was no more shot than Barrett, AND he is bigger and better than money Barrett was on his best day.

Cristobal has his weaknesses, too, and I'm not claiming that he is the dominant HW, but it is very naive to think Haye would not have his hands full with Arreola. Maybe Haye wins this fight, but this would be VERY dangerous fight for him. If I were Arreola, I would jump at the chance to fight David Haye. If he trained properly can came in under 240, he would blast out Haye in pretty short order. If he came in fat, Haye would have a chance.

[El Kabong]

That is a very solid, unbiased view of David Haye Rozzy.

I think a veteran fighter would be more difficult for Haye because of the flaws in his games you have mentioned. I think if James Toney had anything left he'd be very difficult for Haye to beat. Good defense, good jabs, and good chins are all going to be big roadblocks for Haye at heavyweight.

[killersheep]

David Haye was successful at CW because he is an incredible athlete and at the time he unified the division, he was up against weak or old competition. Mormeck in his prime would have battered Haye. Enzo was overhyped and his last loss proved who he is.

Haye has speed and he has at least some power in both hands, at least at CW. That's really about it. The Bonin and Barrett fights show us nothing about his punching power at HW. Bonin sucks and Barrett is the same size as him and washed up. Talk about 'domestic level' talent? What the heck are Bonin, Barrett, and Enzo? The only "world class" guy Haye ever beat was a washed up Mormeck. To borrow from Fenster - Fact.

There is no evidence to suggest he can bang with the big boys. Comparing him to the smaller HW's, He doesn't have much skill or defense like Eddie Chambers, and he doesn't have the workrate and conditioning of Povetkin. Against a fighter with a top level jab (like Wlad), he will have no way to reach him. He doesn't use his jab to set anything up. He either attacks blindly or waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If he were a baseball player, I'd call him a mistake hitter. If the pitcher makes his pitch, he can't do anything, but he can crush a hanging curve ball. The most of the guys he's been in with hang plenty of curve balls for him.

Arreola has been fighting legit HW's his entire career. Yes, he has turned up disgracefully fat in a few fights. He's also turned up in decent shape for his biggest step ups, aside from McCline. I suspect he may have left some weight on for the McCline fight because McCline is so big. Arreola crushed McCline. Granted, he was shot, but he was no more shot than Barrett, AND he is bigger and better than money Barrett was on his best day.

Cristobal has his weaknesses, too, and I'm not claiming that he is the dominant HW, but it is very naive to think Haye would not have his hands full with Arreola. Maybe Haye wins this fight, but this would be VERY dangerous fight for him. If I were Arreola, I would jump at the chance to fight David Haye. If he trained properly can came in under 240, he would blast out Haye in pretty short order. If he came in fat, Haye would have a chance.

So you're saying Haye's chances against The Nightmare depend on if he has a "B-cup" or "C-cup".

I agree with most of what you are saying, the one thing I disagree with is Arreola being in a position to blow out Haye. Arreola tends to take shots to give some back, that could be a fatal flaw against Haye, plus Haye does have relatively quick hands. I'd back Arreola, but this fight needs to happen fireworks for 1-3 rounds before it ends brutally either way.

[El Kabong]

Of course WE say this should happen but it's just not going to....why? Both Arreola and Haye are going to be protected because of what is at stake. I do think Arreola will fight better opposition though if he fought Oleg Maskaev, Andrew Golota, Sam Peter, or someone like that he would be in pretty safe and it would still mean something.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

[CFH]

I would love to see this fight, it would be a war and it potentially could do great things for the HW division. Whoever came out on top would be riding a wave of hype into a Klitschko fight.

I have no idea who would win, both are flawed fighters with serious power.

[bigragu]

To be honest I think this would be a logical fight. And the winner should set up nicely to get Bitchsko. Would also end this bullshit about Haye needing more fights in the division.

Haye vs. Arreola - Both Sides Are Tempted To Fight - Boxing News

I got Haye beating the fat man in a few rounds.

Your thoughts ?

I think this is a fight that not only should happen it needs to happen. 1 of these guys is a pretender, we need to find out which one it is!

[Violent Demise]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

Stop flattering yourself. Frequently? Come on now. Enough with the lies. Replace frequently with damn near all the time and now you speaking the truth

[El Kabong]

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

But you just said you are frequently wrong and that statement about Wlad "bottling it" proves that you know jack about boxing.

Why don't you try explaining how Obama's economic policies have helped the US?

[Kirkland Laing]

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

Stop flattering yourself. Frequently? Come on now. Enough with the lies. Replace frequently with damn near all the time and now you speaking the truth

I'm frequently right too.

[Kirkland Laing]

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

But you just said you are frequently wrong and that statement about Wlad "bottling it" proves that you know jack about boxing.

Why don't you try explaining how Obama's economic policies have helped the US?

He is a bottler. He bottled a real challenge from Haye and is now fighting a disease-ridden midget in front of by far the biggest crowd he's ever "fought" in front of, people who paid to see a real fight but now have to make do with yet another garbage Klitscko fight.

[El Kabong]

When did you sign up to fight Wladimir?

[DynoMight]

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Ive never bought into the Haye hype but he should, theoretically, be able to pot shot his way to a wide decision win or late stoppage.


HOWEVER..


At any minute of any round, Arreola can knock him the F out with that beastly power of his.


On a side note, Arreola is possibly the ugliest f'n boxer Ive ever laid eyes on. And as far as David Haye goes.... good god almighty, where did all these fans come from?? Lol, my god you'd think he was the second coming of christ. And why?? Because his fans despise the Klitschkos? Because he blasted Monte 'Half a gun' Barrett? Dont you side with fighers because of what they accomplish rather than siding with them to change the current landscape?


Mark my words friends and neightbors, Haye will get the bejeezus knocked out of him by either Klitschko, and a whole host of other heavies, natural heavies, with natural heavyweight power and natural heavyweight chins.


And as far as Ruslan being a 'diseased ridden midget', youre talking about a guy who handed Nikolai his first loss, is undefeated, and was hailed 'the white tyson' not too far back. Granted his punching power is overrated, but Chagaev is no tomato can.