What's next for Haye

[TitoFan]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

RJJ, you feel Haye was "weight-drained" at cruiserweight? He seems to have the body build that fits a good sized cruiserweight or small heavyweight, but I wouldn't characterize him as "weight-drained" in the sense of the word we usually use to describe fighters in other divisions.

Also, you attribute Haye's "lesser chin" at CW than at HW to his weight? Again, I'm at a loss here, because to me, chin resistance has always been independent of weight. Matter of fact, it would seem that if anything his punch resistance would go down at HW, where bigger guys are throwing a lot harder punches.

Dehydrate a stone of fluids out of your body and tell me how steady your legs feel... you do know that a dehydrated fighter has less fluid cushioning the brain as well? No I didn't. Thanks for informing me.

Why do you think they banned same day weigh ins?

Boiling down to a weight definetly has a big part to play in chin. Heavies may have more mass behind a punch but if you can see a punch coming you'll ride the punch and reduce the force delivered. The ones that catch you blind are the ones that hurt.

There are too many factors to say for sure, but the argument that Haye's chin is better at heavy is credible - mote fluid around the brain, more glycogen and h2o etc in his cells and slower punches that he can ride if he sees them coming before they hit.

Very good technical explanation. Thanks for clarifying that up.

[AdamGB]

I'm pretty sure a fanboy isn't somebody who has anything positive to say about a fighter that you hate.

[TitoFan]

I'm pretty sure a fanboy isn't somebody who has anything positive to say about a fighter that you hate.

That's exactly what separates fanboyism from being a regular fan.

[AdamGB]

For the record I still see Haye as a cruiserweight. If you can weigh in at 210 wet, you can weigh in at 200 dry.

It's a definite possibility that his chin is better at heavy, but its only gonna help against guys like ruiz and chisora etc

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

He did confess to playing up to the struggle of making weight against enzo mac... plus watching him tryin to bulk up to 16 odd was just awkward... He suits 15.

A super cruiserweight.

[TitoFan]

Haye does have skills, no denying that. That is when he chooses to display them. He has power, speed, and boxing skills. He's a small heavyweight, but then so are a few of the others campaigning in that division. When you choose to fight at heavy, you gotta be willing to go in there and do battle with the behemoths. A lot of "it" resides between the ears. If you go in there defeated already, as Haye did against Wlad (as well as have other HW's in recent times against Wlad), it does not make for a good, competitive, fan-friendly fight. I was one that felt that Haye had not earned his shot at Wlad. But ok, he got it. Had he gone into the fight with the attitude he had against Chisora, I'm pretty sure it would've been a hugely entertaining spectacle. He may have gotten KO'ed, but he had that "puncher's chance". Why? Because Wlad's chin has never been compared to Holyfield's or to Foreman's. But by fighting the way he did, IMO he threw away a golden opportunity. That's why I think he needs to fight an Arreola or an Adamek before deserving another shot at one of the Klitschko's titles.... preferably Vitali, since he already did the "no-show" against Wlad.

The heavyweight division is aching for a sensation other than the Klitschkos right now. Nobody has been up to the task. The alphabet orgs are dredging up mandatories from the municipal dump and throwing them at the Klits. It's getting to where, despite his poor showing against Wlad, Haye could find himself at the front of the line by default.

[mrbig1]

he has to fight in America next. He needs a HBO contract if Haye wants to make some real money. Does anyone know how much Haye got for his last fight?

[rjj tszyu]

he has to fight in America next. He needs a HBO contract if Haye wants to make some real money. Does anyone know how much Haye got for his last fight?

£3.5 million for Chisora!

[Tam Seddon]

If Haye can't fight Vitali next I think there are options out there for him. I wouldn't mind him going to America to fight either Adameck, Arreloa or Mitchell.

If that doesn't go through imagine Haye taking on Price or Fury?? These Would be massive fights in the UK and Haye has shown that when he fights taller fighters he can struggle. I think Price has a better chance than Fury, but I reckon Price might be a bit too big for Haye? What do u think?

[rjj tszyu]

If Haye can't fight Vitali next I think there are options out there for him. I wouldn't mind him going to America to fight either Adameck, Arreloa or Mitchell.

If that doesn't go through imagine Haye taking on Price or Fury?? These Would be massive fights in the UK and Haye has shown that when he fights taller fighters he can struggle. I think Price has a better chance than Fury, but I reckon Price might be a bit too big for Haye? What do u think?

Out of all the other Brits I'd give Price most chance of beating Haye. Haye would absolutely obliterate Fury. The thing is though price has never been in with anyone anywhere near Haye's level yet and there are a lot f questions he needs to answer before we can really start matching him up with the likes of Haye. I'd like to see Price and Chisora next year, I think that would give us some indication of where he is in comparison to Haye!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Price v chisora.

Haye won't fight anyone other than vitali. He's in it for the money...

[AdamGB]

If Haye can't fight Vitali next I think there are options out there for him. I wouldn't mind him going to America to fight either Adameck, Arreloa or Mitchell.

If that doesn't go through imagine Haye taking on Price or Fury?? These Would be massive fights in the UK and Haye has shown that when he fights taller fighters he can struggle. I think Price has a better chance than Fury, but I reckon Price might be a bit too big for Haye? What do u think?

Out of all the other Brits I'd give Price most chance of beating Haye. Haye would absolutely obliterate Fury. The thing is though price has never been in with anyone anywhere near Haye's level yet and there are a lot f questions he needs to answer before we can really start matching him up with the likes of Haye. I'd like to see Price and Chisora next year, I think that would give us some indication of where he is in comparison to Haye!

I think Haye and price have done a fair bit of sparring together.

[rjj tszyu]

If Haye can't fight Vitali next I think there are options out there for him. I wouldn't mind him going to America to fight either Adameck, Arreloa or Mitchell.

If that doesn't go through imagine Haye taking on Price or Fury?? These Would be massive fights in the UK and Haye has shown that when he fights taller fighters he can struggle. I think Price has a better chance than Fury, but I reckon Price might be a bit too big for Haye? What do u think?

Out of all the other Brits I'd give Price most chance of beating Haye. Haye would absolutely obliterate Fury. The thing is though price has never been in with anyone anywhere near Haye's level yet and there are a lot f questions he needs to answer before we can really start matching him up with the likes of Haye. I'd like to see Price and Chisora next year, I think that would give us some indication of where he is in comparison to Haye!

I think Haye and price have done a fair bit of sparring together.

Yes thats right. Haye had him in for the Klitschko fight. Price seemed pretty keen to dismiss any fight with Haye on saturday night. Now was that because he didn't feel he was ready or was it as he said "a fight with me makes no sense for David now"? It's a fight I wouldn't mind seeing in 18 months from now but I'd be surprised if we ever did see it.

[Fenster]

Price has not just sparred loads with Haye he signed with Hayemaker promotions when he turned pro. They were his team.

Price admits himself it's too early to fight Haye. He's looking at Audley or Skelton next.

[rjj tszyu]

Price has not just sparred loads with Haye he signed with Hayemaker promotions when he turned pro. They were his team.

Price admits himself it's too early to fight Haye. He's looking at Audley or Skelton next.

I hope it's Skelton. at least he'll fight back!