"Ali hate"..... what's the point??

[walrus]

Brock, are you related to Mussolini, did you smoke hash before filming that vid. Do they have good hash in Turkey, I tried hash one time many years ago, it was interesting but I didn't have the urge to do it again.

[Bill Paxtom]

Muhammad Ali ~ Black Muslim Minister

Just what does he preach, particularly.
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"All we know, is that when we met Minister Muhammad Ali, he told
us to forget about those 'bee-hive' hairdo's."

"He told us that we would never make it as a singing group. And to stop
doing what we were doing."

The Ronette's

[Master]

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock, are you related to Mussolini, did you smoke hash before filming that vid. Do they have good hash in Turkey, I tried hash one time many years ago, it was interesting but I didn't have the urge to do it again.

they must have it down south near syria. i dont do that anymore since about 1988 but would try good hash for sure again.

[brocktonblockbust]

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[Beanflicker]

Remember rich young white men dodged the war by pulling political strings so jump on their case and call them cowards and frauds.

True... some men ran to Canada, some men claimed they were homosexuals, some pulled political strings.

Still, nobody is saying that those men a heroes who stood up to this unethical, illogical war.

When people think of Ali they think of a guy who selflessly gave away his prime years to protest an unpopular war, a crusader if you will. When in reality, if he wasn't drafted he wouldn't have made a peep about the war.

[Bill Paxtom]

Remember rich young white men dodged the war by pulling political strings so jump on their case and call them cowards and frauds.

True... some men ran to Canada, some men claimed they were homosexuals, some pulled political strings.

Still, nobody is saying that those men a heroes who stood up to this unethical, illogical war.

When people think of Ali they think of a guy who selflessly gave away his prime years to protest an unpopular war, a crusader if you will. When in reality, if he wasn't drafted he wouldn't have made a peep about the war.

Correct Bean-Man,

Cassius Clay 'fed off' the College Students and 'Anti-War Protesters' like 'a leech'.

The 'left-wing' Liberal Media ate it up, like eating an Ice Cream Cone.
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"What did Cassius Clay say today. Oh, suddenly he's an expert on Southeast Asian conflicts."

Doris Day

[Master]

Ali was stripped of his title and lost millions. Ali could have done a Joe Louis but he did not and for all that he should be applauded.

Ali lost the best years of his career and the momentum he built.

[Beanflicker]

Ali could have done a Joe Louis

We don't know that that was an option, and it doesn't seem plausible that it was an option, given Ali's "I don't have no quarrel with no Viet Cong" speeches where he slammed the government for trying to force him go over and kill another brown-skinned person.

It seems doubtful that simply shaking hands with troops and putting on boxing exhibitions would have been against his "religious freedoms". They were probably going to make him fight, he knew they were probably going to make him fight, and he was determined not to go.

If he was a true hero he would have spoken about it before he was drafted. He would have refused to even take the draft screen process. Instead, he only spoke out about the war when he had to. It was never a "this war is wrong" stance, it was a "you can't send ME over there because it's a violation of MY religious freedom" stance, which is a selfish and garbage stance. People talk about what he lost, but at the end of the day a few years and maybe a few million were nothing compared to the chance of dying and losing everything over in Vietnam.

[Master]

Ali made the right decision then because they may have put him in the line of fire. Stop criticising the man for making sensible decisions.

[TitoFan]

Not speaking to all haters, but..........

It must definitely EAT AWAY at the guts of the extreme haters to have seen all the adulation and love being poured on Muhammad Ali all these years. To have seen him get chosen to light the torch at the '96 Olympics in Atlanta. To see documentary after documentary made about Ali's life. Damn.... I'd hate to hate someone soooo much.... and then have to see his face on TV every once in awhile whether I want to or not. It must eat away at the haters' intestines to watch how society has moved on past the showboating some may not have liked.... past the dislike of many of Ali's refusal to be drafted. It must feel like being on a deserted island to keep calling him Clay, when the rest of the civilized world knows him as Muhammad Ali. But worst of all.......

It must absolutely KILL the haters to know that to millions and millions of people, Ali is, and will always be known as....

The Greatest


Tsk, tsk........ it's a damn shame.

[Beanflicker]

Stop criticising the man for making sensible decisions.

I'm not criticizing his decision. I would have dodged the draft too as opposed to running through the jungle with a backpack and an M16, trying to avoid gunfire, tigers and snakes.

I'm criticizing the fact that the general public and vast majority of boxing fans are rewriting history and making him out to be this great selfless anti-war crusader. He was scared of going over there like everyone else was and chose to give up a few years of his career in exchange for not having to go other there and get killed or end up as a cripple or amputee.

[TitoFan]

If we're gonna be real, let's be real. This is the real reason many whites hated Ali for refusing to be drafted.




Who knows how many blacks felt the same way back in the 60's, but obviously didn't have the chance or nerve to express it.

[Bill Paxtom]

For Once and For All.

Does anybody really think that Cassius Clay would have been 'humping it' in
the Rice Paddies of the Mekong River Delta in 1967 at {Age; 25}

Come on now.

Cassius wasn't qualified in any Military skills.

He would have had a 'cake job' at some Supply Depot in Guam or Hawaii.

Private First Class, Cassius M. Clay.

The reason he didn't want to be drafted, is because he thought he was a 'celebrity'
with special exemptions.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali joined the Elijah Muhammad/Wallace Fard Muhammad brand of Islam.....attending those weirdo sessions where they taught a distinctive form of Islam to members of the city's African-American population.
there had sprung an even more militant branch than the Nation of Islam itself. This new movement, known as the Temple People, identifies the prophet, Mr. W.D. Fard, with the god Allah. To Mr. Fard alone did they offer prayer and sacrifice. Since Mr. Fard has been deified, the Temple People raise to the rank of prophet the former Minister of Islam, Elijah Mohammed of Chicago. He is always referred to reverently as the ‘Prophet Elijah in Chicago'.

When Malcolm X went to perform hajj in Mecca, he realized how wrong this NOI branch was----they thought up until then that only black people were Muslims. He saw white Muslims and Chinese Muslims and Turks and Bosnian Muslims in Mecca, and it blew his mind.

Ali realized years later that he had bought into a bunch of racist pro-black NOI BULLSHIT.