Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed

[sexydarin]

Didn't mean to put down fighters of this era. Some of them have the stones too. I was more or less taking a jab at the refereeing. Stopping fights to early. You have to put every fight into context. If i were a referee and if a boxer was winning the fight and there were only 5 or less seconds left on the clock, he would have to look a hell of lot worse than what Meldrick Taylor looked like, for me to even consider ending the fight. There would be no way i would be that unfair to take away a person's rightful win and especially with belts on the line. Context is the key.

[CutMeMick]

For me it's a fight to the death, no tongue in cheek. This ain't cricket, it's boxing. I personally would rather die, in the ring, than lose a fight. That's what i miss about boxers from previous eras. They had stones, not pussies.

Stop with the bleeding hearts. This is a game of fight to the death.

Got to give you a sc for that. This is NOT "a game of fight to the death", that is just ignorance on your part. I am hoping you wrote that tongue in check.

Boxing is a sport don't forget that sexydarin.....

[LegendBoxing65]

Boxing is not a fight to the death. That is ridiculous. Boxing is a sport with rules to try and protect the fighters as much as possible. And Richard Steele did the best he can under those rules. The decision to stop that fight was just, Julio Cesar Chavez was a much greater fighter than Meldrick. It might even be a stretch to consider Meldrick great. He had one great fight in his whole career and won two titles.

[Majesty]

It isn't that people give anything about someone being hurt over anyone else. but who wants a fighter to be hurt? I don't and I am sure you don't either., but in general the sport is better when you try and minimize danger to when if a guy is hurt and not able to continue they stop the fight. Had they let Taylor continue, then where would the new standard be for stopping guys? Then if a guy had 10 seconds left and the fight were stopped. guys out here would say, well the Taylor fight continued with 3 seconds and he won the fight. The fact that Steele stopped the fight shows that boxing is a great sport which puts life ahead of wins. It isn't a question whether Taylor would have been hurt physically had they made the fight go on, it is the standard of stopping fights when a guy is finished, If you bend the rules you might as well have one minute left in a fight. That is what Steele was saying, he did not look at the clock. I think that showed alot about boxing. I wanted Taylor to win that night, but I was not mad at Steele or upset with him. and I was not upset with Taylor, he fought the fight of his life. But if anyone has to blame it is Taylor for getting caught with the big punch in round 12 and it is Duva's fault for always being so hot headed and jumping in the corner distracting Taylor and making him look to his right.. But Taylor was wearing out gradually in the fight.

Yes he was wearing out, he had given so much energy throughtout the fight kicking Chavez's a** up and down the ring. We are not talking about the standard time limit when stopping the fight, we are saying that Taylor's condition was not bad enough for the fight to be stopped at that point, people talk about swallowing blood and broken eye orbitals, this is boxing not baseball, those kind of things happen all the time why are you guy's making it seem like that is not ordinary. The point is that Taylor got up on the count of 4, he didn't get up like Zab Judah wobbling around the ring, if he would of I would have said yes the fight should have been stopped, but the way he got up was in no way to the condition that the fight needed to be stopped especially at two seconds. And check the boxing history, Pernell Whitaker kicked Chavez's a** worse than Taylor did and they called it a draw, he also had gift decision's vs Frankie Randall, coincidence NO. Steele also had other questionable stoppage's, coincidence NO.

You act like Steele's the only ref to have a questionable stoppage. It happens to ref's ALL THE TIME!! Mention how great a job Steele did in the first Eubank vs. Benn fight. Or the Corrales Mayweather fight

Corralles Father thru in the towel against Mayweather..... But this stoppage in question is the most controversial in Boxing history IMO... The other that was strange was Camacho jr against Andrey Tsurkan back in June when Tsurkan had him on the ropes and Camacho wasnt fighting back...Not because he was hurt but because he wasnt being active and fighting back so the ref stopped it

I no longer am trying to convince these individuals JT, we can't change their minds and they can't change ours, it's sad that people don't think he deserved to go on after the performance he put on, it was dazzling.

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

[Lords Gym]

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,

Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing

[Majesty]

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,

Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing

Exactly man. But I think too many are looking from a fans perspective instead of the ref's

[Lords Gym]

Cool Click back !

[Bookkeeper]

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,

Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing

NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.

[Majesty]

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,

Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing

NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.

And you keep trying to say "Taylor deserved it because of his effort" And I keep saying that you don't win fights by effort alone. Boxing isn't about pity just because someone did a spirited effort he still lost the fight. Thats why the fight is 12 rounds 3 minutes. So basically you're saying it would be fair to give Chavez no chance of pulling out the win because Taylor gave "A good effort early on" right? Wrong. And I'm not a fan of Cesar Chavez. But I do not think it was a bad stoppage either.

[Bookkeeper]

It aint about what you "deserve" in boxing. It's what you "get".

If boxing was about pitying someone because they put forth a spirited effort then what would the point be in watching?

In the 12th round what fan is gonna sit there and say "Well it doesn't matter if Chavez has enough in him and stop him, the ref isn't gonna stop it because Taylor gave such a good effort earlier I may as well just turn away from the channel." come on. You watch boxing to see "Can he pull it out? Can he win it!"

You right . Majesty
When a fighter is done he is done. Hell Lou Duva was standing on the apron which could be construed as throwing in the towel. Taylor was not responding , and what if there was 45 seconds left in the fight and Steel let it go on ? Taylor could have been killed in there. . What everyone needs to do is watch the last round forget about the time and ask themselves, can Taylor take anymore punishment and fight back ? that’s what your looking at . 10 seconds or 1:23 seconds that’s irrelevant,

Nowhere in the referee manual does it say take Time as a consideration when stopping a fight. A referees only concern is the fighters wellbeing

NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN (Godfather 3). I said I would not comment again but you bloody bastards don't stop, the previous 10 post that I wrote have all stated that time had nothing to due with it just condition, but on top of the condition it adds another insult when it was only two seconds left, that's what you guy's are not getting, and no matter how many times we explain it you still don't understand, I was expecting more out of LORDS GYM but he decided to join the darkside. So since you don't understand let me give you guy's an anology. If I am an actor and you guy's were directors that hired me for a movie we would film the movie scene by scene on schedule. Going into the final scene of the movie you decide that you do not want me as you lead actor anymore and you want to replace me with another actor. It's already wrong for you too replace me after you decided to hire me but it throws fuel on the fire that you did it after we filmed the whole damn movie, you were wrong for firing me period but it's even worse after we have completed everything. So please stop mentioning the time, and on top of that only people who wanted Chavez to win say this, on top of that they act like it's hilarious even though millions of people think the same thing I think, on top of that they insult are intellingence by telling us that the HBO commentators sparked the controversy and everybody followed suit. I guess we are sheep that we have said nothing if it was not for Larry Merchant.

And you keep trying to say "Taylor deserved it because of his effort" And I keep saying that you don't win fights by effort alone. Boxing isn't about pity just because someone did a spirited effort he still lost the fight. Thats why the fight is 12 rounds 3 minutes. So basically you're saying it would be fair to give Chavez no chance of pulling out the win because Taylor gave "A good effort early on" right? Wrong. And I'm not a fan of Cesar Chavez. But I do not think it was a bad stoppage either.

Can't we all just get along.

[TyBuff]

I keep going back and forth about this, on one hand there was 2 F***** seconds left!!! Then again you never know when 1 more shot is going to be the one that does the real permanent damage. Its a S***** situation that happened but will can never be changed. Even then Taylor is not the same since that fight, that fight took so much out of him.