Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.

[El Gamo]

Regarding Trinidad in comparison to Mayweather.
First off, much respect to Trinidad, he definitely did take on tough guys as he moved up. In fact, his undoing was that he bit off more than he could chew, fighting Hopkins in only his second fight at 160, only two years after he had been fighting at 147. Trinidad definitely fought the top guys out there.

But how is Mayweather not fighting the best? He's moving up to 154, a new weight class, and fighting DLH. Can someone name a fighter at 154 who is better than DLH? I can't think of one.
Trinidad's first fight at 154 was against David Reid, who had 14 pro fights under his belt and had fought poorly in his last few bouts before facing Trinidad. Does anyone think that David Reid was a tougher opponent than DLH?
Trinidad's second fight at 154 was against Mamadou Thiam. Was Thiam any better than the guys Mayweather has fought recently?

Ok, you baited me in.

Tito fought those guys and then Vargas all in that 1 year period when he moved up. I give Floyd credit for taking the fight with Oscar especially since it's at 154 but how long did we have to wait for this and how long will we have to wait for him to fight another meaningful fight? I can't help it....I'm just not one of those guys that buys into hype and believes that someone is the best just cause HBO or so-called experts say he is. I have to see it in the ring against great, hungry opposition and not these hopeless guys he's been fighting.

The thing Floyd's fans need to understand is that nobody's is denying his skill. Right away Floyd fans say things like "but who has your guy fought or this or that" but the bottom line is that those other guys are not calling themselves p4p #1 and saying they are better than SRR and Ali.............(sorry, I needed a few seconds to chuckle) and he always has an excuse on why he shouldn't fight them. Any fighter that takes on that p4p status has to realize that it comes with extra responsibility like fighting top tier fighters to prove you belong where you are.

Not only did he do it right after he got the recognition, but he didn't even do it to get the recognition. Atleast no in the ring.

ThTA SECOND PARAGRAPH IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME BRO! cc! That is what I have been saying from the beginning!

And sweetpea,sorry,my entire post was not aimed at you,I was in a rush,I should have been clearer.

Do not get me wrong,I give Floyd credit for taking the Oscar fight but its a fight Oscar will not win,for various reasons(look at his track record IN HIS PRIME v Pernell,Shane,Sturms jab etc) and his rustiness. When Floyd wins,I'll give im credit for sure but you can bet your last $$$ that there will be boxing fans here ranting hes the best ever etc when a win over Oscar does NOT show that.

To get my respect,he needs to go to 147,and clean it out. There are LOADS of good fighters,hungry,young and I'm not just talking about Margarito,theres Cotto,Mosley etc. TO PROVE YOU ARE THE BEST,YOU BEAT THE BEST and if you look at Floyds fights at 140 and 147,that just has not been the case. All the aforementioned fighters are better names than anyone Floyd has fought. Castillo had losses when Floyd fought him,why was it not brought up then? Corley,Ndou etc etc they are DECENT fighters,nowhere near Margarito,Cotto,Williams etc.

[Lords Gym]

Regarding Trinidad in comparison to Mayweather.
First off, much respect to Trinidad, he definitely did take on tough guys as he moved up. In fact, his undoing was that he bit off more than he could chew, fighting Hopkins in only his second fight at 160, only two years after he had been fighting at 147. Trinidad definitely fought the top guys out there.

But how is Mayweather not fighting the best? He's moving up to 154, a new weight class, and fighting DLH. Can someone name a fighter at 154 who is better than DLH? I can't think of one.
Trinidad's first fight at 154 was against David Reid, who had 14 pro fights under his belt and had fought poorly in his last few bouts before facing Trinidad. Does anyone think that David Reid was a tougher opponent than DLH?
Trinidad's second fight at 154 was against Mamadou Thiam. Was Thiam any better than the guys Mayweather has fought recently?

Mayweather is a smart fighter in and out of the ring.. He is going to make the best business decision.. if that means avoiding a tuff threat, you bet your ass he is going to avoid that threat . It's not that he is dodging fighters per say cause he is scared ,, he just dodging fighters that don't bring the revenue. Smart business man !
He prefers the stats in his favor. Who don’t ? and He likes the money in his favor . Who don’t ? If the money is to his liking, he going to fight that person. simple business. risk reward ratio. its boring no doubt but its smart business. As a fan I would have liked to see him stay at his true weight and fight 135 give or take 5 lbs , as he moved up he become less exciting, that’s simply because he needs to be more cautious as he moves into uncharted waters , he is small man , and has bad hands. strategically he has adjusted his style to do what he needed to do in order to set up this fight with DelaHoya and make a shit load money on the way !

[ono]

Tito fought those guys and then Vargas all in that 1 year period when he moved up. I give Floyd credit for taking the fight with Oscar especially since it's at 154 but how long did we have to wait for this and how long will we have to wait for him to fight another meaningful fight? I can't help it....I'm just not one of those guys that buys into hype and believes that someone is the best just cause HBO or so-called experts say he is. I have to see it in the ring against great, hungry opposition and not these hopeless guys he's been fighting.

The thing Floyd's fans need to understand is that nobody's is denying his skill. Right away Floyd fans say things like "but who has your guy fought or this or that" but the bottom line is that those other guys are not calling themselves p4p #1 and saying they are better than SRR and Ali.............(sorry, I needed a few seconds to chuckle) and he always has an excuse on why he shouldn't fight them. Any fighter that takes on that p4p status has to realize that it comes with extra responsibility like fighting top tier fighters to prove you belong where you are.

Not only did he do it right after he got the recognition, but he didn't even do it to get the recognition. Atleast no in the ring.

CC for a quality post.
I know it seems like it's taken forever for Floyd to be in a big megafight, but he's still only 29 years old. I don't have the time to break it down right now (I will later), but it's not that uncommon for fighters to not have their first huge fight until 29 or 30. Many times, the big fights that define a fighter's legacy occur between the ages of 29-33 or 34.

I think that Mayweather is clearly the #1 PFP fighter in the world, but to look at your argument that he hasn't fought enough quality, hungry opponents....
If Floyd beats DLH, and then goes back down to 147 and beats Mosley later this year, would you consider him #1 at that point?
If that's not enough for you, which opponent out there would he have to beat after DLH to be #1 PFP?

If its not common for fighters to have mega fights before they are 29-30 how come Hatton is continually slated over the quality of his opposition. Kostya Tszyu was a super fight. He's not exactly going to be able to follow on from that with super fight after super fight.

Mayweather has been in with some realy world class fighters but that one huge name is lacking. De La Hoya would certainly fill that void and if he beats him then its irrelevant to whom he fights after that because that would make him easily the number 1 p4p. Only over qualm i have is Winky and Pac are his main challengers in my eyes and they have both fought outside of their home countries countless number of times. That gives them the edge at the minute for me.

[El Gamo]

Regarding Trinidad in comparison to Mayweather.
First off, much respect to Trinidad, he definitely did take on tough guys as he moved up. In fact, his undoing was that he bit off more than he could chew, fighting Hopkins in only his second fight at 160, only two years after he had been fighting at 147. Trinidad definitely fought the top guys out there.

But how is Mayweather not fighting the best? He's moving up to 154, a new weight class, and fighting DLH. Can someone name a fighter at 154 who is better than DLH? I can't think of one.
Trinidad's first fight at 154 was against David Reid, who had 14 pro fights under his belt and had fought poorly in his last few bouts before facing Trinidad. Does anyone think that David Reid was a tougher opponent than DLH?
Trinidad's second fight at 154 was against Mamadou Thiam. Was Thiam any better than the guys Mayweather has fought recently?

Mayweather is a smart fighter in and out of the ring.. He is going to make the best business decision.. if that means avoiding a tuff threat, you bet your ass he is going to avoid that threat . It's not that he is dodging fighters per say cause he is scared ,, he just dodging fighters that don't bring the revenue. Smart business man !
He prefers the stats in his favor. Who don’t ? and He likes the money in his favor . Who don’t ? If the money is to his liking, he going to fight that person. simple business. risk reward ratio. its boring no doubt but its smart business. As a fan I would have liked to see him stay at his true weight and fight 135 give or take 5 lbs , as he moved up he become less exciting, that’s simply because he needs to be more cautious as he moves into uncharted waters , he is small man , and has bad hands. strategically he has adjusted his style to do what he needed to do in order to set up this fight with DelaHoya and make a shit load money on the way !

Wow,awesome analysis!! CC! I see where you are coming from but I disagree with Floyd for doing it because

a.}all time greats fought anyone,and their resumes are littered with fighters who were dangerous and not always financially rewarding

b.} it becomes wasted talent. How good was he? DId he have heart? etc etc,questions which could remain unanswered.

c.} You can make a shedload of $$$ fighting guys like Tony($8mill),Cotto could be a big fight,Mosley,heck guys like Williams surely make more than Corley,Brusseles etc.

d.} We as true boxing fans know that in some situations,stats don't mean anything. I respect De La Hoya for everthing he has done for the sport,and for his willingness to fight the best but just because hes like a 7 weight champion doesn't mean he's an all time great. You look inside the stats.

[Bx730NY]

Regarding Trinidad in comparison to Mayweather.
First off, much respect to Trinidad, he definitely did take on tough guys as he moved up. In fact, his undoing was that he bit off more than he could chew, fighting Hopkins in only his second fight at 160, only two years after he had been fighting at 147. Trinidad definitely fought the top guys out there.

But how is Mayweather not fighting the best? He's moving up to 154, a new weight class, and fighting DLH. Can someone name a fighter at 154 who is better than DLH? I can't think of one.
Trinidad's first fight at 154 was against David Reid, who had 14 pro fights under his belt and had fought poorly in his last few bouts before facing Trinidad. Does anyone think that David Reid was a tougher opponent than DLH?
Trinidad's second fight at 154 was against Mamadou Thiam. Was Thiam any better than the guys Mayweather has fought recently?

Ok, you baited me in.

Tito fought those guys and then Vargas all in that 1 year period when he moved up. I give Floyd credit for taking the fight with Oscar especially since it's at 154 but how long did we have to wait for this and how long will we have to wait for him to fight another meaningful fight? I can't help it....I'm just not one of those guys that buys into hype and believes that someone is the best just cause HBO or so-called experts say he is. I have to see it in the ring against great, hungry opposition and not these hopeless guys he's been fighting.

The thing Floyd's fans need to understand is that nobody's is denying his skill. Right away Floyd fans say things like "but who has your guy fought or this or that" but the bottom line is that those other guys are not calling themselves p4p #1 and saying they are better than SRR and Ali.............(sorry, I needed a few seconds to chuckle) and he always has an excuse on why he shouldn't fight them. Any fighter that takes on that p4p status has to realize that it comes with extra responsibility like fighting top tier fighters to prove you belong where you are.

Not only did he do it right after he got the recognition, but he didn't even do it to get the recognition. Atleast no in the ring.

ThTA SECOND PARAGRAPH IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME BRO! cc! That is what I have been saying from the beginning!

And sweetpea,sorry,my entire post was not aimed at you,I was in a rush,I should have been clearer.

Do not get me wrong,I give Floyd credit for taking the Oscar fight but its a fight Oscar will not win,for various reasons(look at his track record IN HIS PRIME v Pernell,Shane,Sturms jab etc) and his rustiness. When Floyd wins,I'll give im credit for sure but you can bet your last $$$ that there will be boxing fans here ranting hes the best ever etc when a win over Oscar does NOT show that.

To get my respect,he needs to go to 147,and clean it out. There are LOADS of good fighters,hungry,young and I'm not just talking about Margarito,theres Cotto,Mosley etc. TO PROVE YOU ARE THE BEST,YOU BEAT THE BEST and if you look at Floyds fights at 140 and 147,that just has not been the case. All the aforementioned fighters are better names than anyone Floyd has fought. Castillo had losses when Floyd fought him,why was it not brought up then? Corley,Ndou etc etc they are DECENT fighters,nowhere near Margarito,Cotto,Williams etc.

Thanx bro and cc back in 24.....I also woulndn't give him the world if he beats DLH cause Oscar has just one fight the last 2 or 3 years and is surely not what he used to be but at least it's a serious risk which we haven't seen him take in a while. Another thing about Oscar is that he is a bit slower but he certainly seems stronger than ever at this point so that should keep Floyd's fans on edge throughout.

[SweetPea]

And sweetpea,sorry,my entire post was not aimed at you,I was in a rush,I should have been clearer.

No problem. I fugured you were replying to multiple people but I couldn't tell for sure.

When Floyd wins,I'll give im credit for sure but you can bet your last $$$ that there will be boxing fans here ranting hes the best ever etc when a win over Oscar does NOT show that.

I think it's important to separate Floyd fans who think he's #1 PFP right now from fans who think he's the "best ever." Floyd Mayweather is not the best ever, and it's not even close. Anybody who thinks Floyd Mayweather can claim to be the best ever is an idiot.
Floyd hasn't even proven yet that he's as good as Pernell Whitaker, let alone Ray Robinson.

To get my respect,he needs to go to 147,and clean it out. There are LOADS of good fighters,hungry,young and I'm not just talking about Margarito,theres Cotto,Mosley etc. TO PROVE YOU ARE THE BEST,YOU BEAT THE BEST and if you look at Floyds fights at 140 and 147,that just has not been the case. All the aforementioned fighters are better names than anyone Floyd has fought. Castillo had losses when Floyd fought him,why was it not brought up then? Corley,Ndou etc etc they are DECENT fighters,nowhere near Margarito,Cotto,Williams etc.

Floyd already has my respect, but I agree with you that his main goal after DLH should be to clean out 147. I am OK with going to 154 for this one big-time payday, but after that he should go back to 147, because 147 is the most loaded division in boxing right now. We are in complete agreement on this.

[Lords Gym]

El G . appreciate the feedback brother !

[El Gamo]

And sweetpea,sorry,my entire post was not aimed at you,I was in a rush,I should have been clearer.

No problem. I fugured you were replying to multiple people but I couldn't tell for sure.

When Floyd wins,I'll give im credit for sure but you can bet your last $$$ that there will be boxing fans here ranting hes the best ever etc when a win over Oscar does NOT show that.

I think it's important to separate Floyd fans who think he's #1 PFP right now from fans who think he's the "best ever." Floyd Mayweather is not the best ever, and it's not even close. Anybody who thinks Floyd Mayweather can claim to be the best ever is an idiot.
Floyd hasn't even proven yet that he's as good as Pernell Whitaker, let alone Ray Robinson.

To get my respect,he needs to go to 147,and clean it out. There are LOADS of good fighters,hungry,young and I'm not just talking about Margarito,theres Cotto,Mosley etc. TO PROVE YOU ARE THE BEST,YOU BEAT THE BEST and if you look at Floyds fights at 140 and 147,that just has not been the case. All the aforementioned fighters are better names than anyone Floyd has fought. Castillo had losses when Floyd fought him,why was it not brought up then? Corley,Ndou etc etc they are DECENT fighters,nowhere near Margarito,Cotto,Williams etc.

Floyd already has my respect, but I agree with you that his main goal after DLH should be to clean out 147. I am OK with going to 154 for this one big-time payday, but after that he should go back to 147, because 147 is the most loaded division in boxing right now. We are in complete agreement on this.

Nice post brother and again,sorry for the confusion. Of course,don't get me wrong,I will give Floyd tremendous respect for beating Oscar but his legacy would grow 10 fold if he could clean 147 after that. I wont begrudge Floyd the huge $$$ and a very very good name in De La Hoya. I just don't understand all the silly crying and the Oscar fight is my last fight etc.

There is one scenario which I am not sure about.....Floyd is starting to talk about Hatton ALOT,what if after the Oscar fight,presuming he wins,he and Hatton fight at 147 and then he retires? I'm not quite sure what to think but it is a possible scenario although what would make it more intersting is if Margarito has beaten Williams and Cotto by then(again HUGE presumption but interesting nonetheless)

[CutMeMick]

The thing Floyd's fans need to understand is that nobody's is denying his skill. Right away Floyd fans say things like "but who has your guy fought or this or that" but the bottom line is that those other guys are not calling themselves p4p #1 and saying they are better than SRR and Ali.............(sorry, I needed a few seconds to chuckle) and he always has an excuse on why he shouldn't fight them. Any fighter that takes on that p4p status has to realize that it comes with extra responsibility like fighting top tier fighters to prove you belong where you are.

CC# 94

No one denys PBFs skills and athletic ability, but it's what he does with it that the problems lies in. He runs his mouth and labels himself as greatness, but yet! turns around takes on fighters that will not give him 'that' greatness he solely desires...

[SweetPea]

There is one scenario which I am not sure about.....Floyd is starting to talk about Hatton ALOT,what if after the Oscar fight,presuming he wins,he and Hatton fight at 147 and then he retires? I'm not quite sure what to think but it is a possible scenario although what would make it more intersting is if Margarito has beaten Williams and Cotto by then(again HUGE presumption but interesting nonetheless)

I will bet my life savings (all $20 of it) that Floyd will not retire anytime soon if he's winning. EVERY fighter says "I'm not gonna keep fighting forever, I want to retire young and undefeated" and they NEVER do it. Floyd likes the spotlight, the competition, the money, he's not going anywhere as long as he's at or near the top. Floyd will be fighting 5 years from now. I don't care what he says.

[El Kabong]

Here is my view of Floyd Mayweather Jr.....

Talent: it's obvious the guy is extremely skilled.

Attitude: He's a prima donna but hey he's a pro athlete so it's ok.....to an extent.

Opposition: Here's my problem, he's never UNIFIED TITLES......EVER. So that means there have been AT LEAST 3 guys that held titles in each of the weight classes PBF has been in that he didn't fight. NOW think about the nontitle holders that deserved shots against him that he didn't fight.

Now there is GOOD NEWS he has stepped up his competition.......it does suck that he has talked about retirement so soon though.

[El Gamo]

There is one scenario which I am not sure about.....Floyd is starting to talk about Hatton ALOT,what if after the Oscar fight,presuming he wins,he and Hatton fight at 147 and then he retires? I'm not quite sure what to think but it is a possible scenario although what would make it more intersting is if Margarito has beaten Williams and Cotto by then(again HUGE presumption but interesting nonetheless)

I will bet my life savings (all $20 of it) that Floyd will not retire anytime soon if he's winning. EVERY fighter says "I'm not gonna keep fighting forever, I want to retire young and undefeated" and they NEVER do it. Floyd likes the spotlight, the competition, the money, he's not going anywhere as long as he's at or near the top. Floyd will be fighting 5 years from now. I don't care what he says.

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

Here is my view of Floyd Mayweather Jr.....

Talent: it's obvious the guy is extremely skilled.

Attitude: He's a prima donna but hey he's a pro athlete so it's ok.....to an extent.

Opposition: Here's my problem, he's never UNIFIED TITLES......EVER. So that means there have been AT LEAST 3 guys that held titles in each of the weight classes PBF has been in that he didn't fight. NOW think about the nontitle holders that deserved shots against him that he didn't fight.

Now there is GOOD NEWS he has stepped up his competition.......it does suck that he has talked about retirement so soon though.

For me,it's not necessarily the unification aspect(although that certainly is a factor) but the guys he has fought have been coming off losses etc too or have been old,shop worn. Its a letdown after he started his career fighting awesome fighters but I think LG's statement explains it well:its business. Makes $$$ and if that is his sole objective,well he has done a danr good job of it!

[SweetPea]

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

[El Gamo]

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

CC,good post.I agree wholeheartedly with your breakdown of the oSCAR FIGHT. You nailed it and I'd like to add the first Mosley fight which was Oscar in his prime,Floyd is as fast as Shane and better defensively imo and Oscar lost,this fight is years down the line,far past his peak and very inactive for the last few years. I hope its not a boring fight but I feel it will be. I just don't see how De La Hoya can win. He is also being made out to be a monstrous puncher,he's not. He has good power,mostly from his left hook,and if Floyd can negate that,he has taken a big step towards winning.

[Bx730NY]

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?