Top Ten Heavyweight Champs of All-Time

[C0unterPunch]

cheers

[Sand Man]

YEAH, REMEMBER I STATED THAT I SAW A DOCUMENTERY ON HIM AND THAT HE WAS BELIEVBED TO HAVE TIES WITH THE MOB! FIXED FIGHTS SO THE ITALIANS LOOK GOOD AND HAVE PRIDE TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY WITH!

I assume your comments are tongue-in-cheek. If some of Rocky's fights were fixed, his opponents needed to get paid way more than they did based on the beatings he handed out.

Also, as stated earlier by someone - where is Sullivan on this list? He was champ for 10 years and traveled from coast to coast challenging ANYONE to a fight, and never lost (knocked one guy out in 2 seconds!). Granted, these opponents were guys from the street, but can you see any modern heavyweight champ doing that? Tyson probably would have.

[magnum]

my top 15 heavyweights of all time are:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Joe Louis
4. Mike Tyson
5. Joe Frazier
6. George Foreman
7. Sonny Liston
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Jack Johnson
11. Lennox Lewis
12. Jersey Joe Walcott
13. Larry Holmes
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Ken Norton

Do you agree?

no. that is off.

marciano was undefeated yes. and lets not even bring up the whole arguement about him not being undefeated.

who did he beat to be that high? he fought in the weakest era possible.
style wise he wasnt that good.

[C0unterPunch]

lol ok - so you don't agree with 1 person, does that make the rest of the list bad?

[magnum]

lol ok - so you don't agree with 1 person, does that make the rest of the list bad?

that was just for starters.

i didnt want to throw it all on you at once.

[C0unterPunch]

lol ok tell me wot else i need to change. unlike you i can accept other peoples opinions.

[magnum]

lol ok tell me wot else i need to change. unlike you i can accept other peoples opinions.

you obviously dont read my posts. hell if my favortie fighters has flaws i will point them out. do you see anyone else do this? if i explain to someone how a certain fighter will win and they jump on the bandwagon and say something why the same fighter would win that is incorrect i will tell them.

i would have louis above ali although i can see ali as number 1.

even though i like mike, going by accomplishments he shouldnt be that high. holyfield and holmes should be higher.

[C0unterPunch]

yeh i don't read all of your posts lol. so my list wasn't all that bad really, you have to admit that i picked some quality fighters even if they were not parrallel to your opinions.

[magnum]

yeh i don't read all of your posts lol. so my list wasn't all that bad really, you have to admit that i picked some quality fighters even if they were not parrallel to your opinions.

i will give you that

but explain to me why that you have marciano ahead of louis.

and holyfield and holmes that low?

[C0unterPunch]

ok, personally i think that holmes and holyfield are a tad overrated but not so overrated that they don't get onto my list.
and as for putting marciano ahead of louis, well i can tell why this is controvertial (spelt wrong probs) but he was undefeated and did beat louis. i do realise that louis was well past it when he lost that fight though.
i think in hindsight i would put them in a joint position because louis did dominate the division all through the 40s.
sorry im taking time to reply i was eating

[magnum]

ok, personally i think that holmes and holyfield are a tad overrated but not so overrated that they don't get onto my list.
and as for putting marciano ahead of louis, well i can tell why this is controvertial (spelt wrong probs) but he was undefeated and did beat louis. i do realise that louis was well past it when he lost that fight though.
i think in hindsight i would put them in a joint position because louis did dominate the division all through the 40s.
sorry im taking time to reply i was eating

holmes held the belt for 7 1/2 years

holyfield was the only 4 time heavyweight champ (legitimatelly he was only 3 time, but the same as ali)

but what did marciano do to give you that opinion? really all you are really saying is marciano should be second because he was undefeated
louis held the belt for nearly 12 years.

[C0unterPunch]

yes because being undefeated is very impressive - come on even you can admit that.
and holmes was playing nobodys like spinks in the 80s, and he was only one in that division who had the talent to keep a title.
.....that was until tyson bursted onto the scene in the late 80s by beating him.
also i dont think that holyfield was fighting at the standard ali was fighting in the 70s.

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[magnum]

yes because being undefeated is very impressive - come on even you can admit that.
and holmes was playing nobodys like spinks in the 80s, and he was only one in that division who had the talent to keep a title.
.....that was until tyson bursted onto the scene in the late 80s by beating him.
also i dont think that holyfield was fighting at the standard ali was fighting in the 70s.

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it is impressive, but they were worse then the guys holmes beat.
holmes had a great jab, good speed, decent power, a good chin, good boxing ability, well the point is he is a lot like ali but around 90% as talented. so if you defend ali you can really bash him.
holmes was old as shat when he lost to tyson.
holyfield beat a lot of top fighters. and yes this discussion is about him as a heavyweight but he was able to beat top fighters at cruiser too.

[C0unterPunch]

well anyway there are my reasons for putting holmes and holyfield that low. but yeh i admit the marciano position is controversial, but i am sure many boxing experts could agree with putting marciano at the top end of the list.

[magnum]

well anyway there are my reasons for putting holmes and holyfield that low. but yeh i admit the marciano position is controversial, but i am sure many boxing experts could agree with putting marciano at the top end of the list.

so why is walcott that high?
I am guessing to back the marciano arguement

look up an experts list and tell me where they ranked the fighters. you can find them on the net. I know, I just want you to find a real expert and tell me where he is ranked as #2.