Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[Beanflicker]

Touche!

[kingfrnk]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

[skel1983]

The weight in this fight had nothing to do with the result whatsoever.

Hatton on fight night was the same weight he fights at come fight night at 140, Mayweather was the same if they fought at 140, Mayweather came in at what 151 on fight night i think, Paulie came in at 149 last week.

In this fight the weigh did not make a jot of difference, against any other fighter i.e Tony Cotto or Williams Hatton would struggle these guys come in on fight night 160+.

So as the thread starter suggested this fight was at 147 between Mayweather and Hatton but it reality they both fought at a weight they would be fighting at give a couple of lbs either way if this fight was at 140.

[Taeth]

What are you tlaking about? Mayweather came against Gatti his last 140 pound fight at 140 at fightnight. And there is a difference bulking up to a certain size and being it naturally. Look how much added muscle Mayweather has added since moving up to welterweight, he looks way bigger than he did at 140 and below. Before WW Mayweather generally looked about the same size with a little change, but up at WW both his style and size changed drastically, He had to put on muscle to be big enough for 140 and 147, Hatton didn't/doesn't sure he put on a little muscle for welterweight, but nothing special. IN fact when Hatton fought Collazo he came in at 160, when he fought at LWW he was coming at 154-155 which is 15 pounds more than Mayweather would walk into the ring at, and thats Hatton being ripped, not pudgy. Mayweather stayed around 149 against HAtton who weighed about 155 or 156 that is 7 pounds differences, I would call that a considerable enough weight difference, that a guy who was coming back up to WW, and still easily makes LWW out weighed Maywaether by that much, and Hatton could have weighed a lot more. 160 is what Mayweather walks around at with all this added muscle, it used to be 150 when he was at lww, and that is 5 pounds less than Hatton would come into the ring at lww.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Teath, Id like you to prove that Mayweather walks around at 160

[leftylee]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

[bambamdaddio]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

Brilliant & dead simple & whats hard to understand about that..

[sonny78]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

[bambamdaddio]

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

Good points made bud..

[bambamdaddio]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

But then bud re your response we are getting into peoples opinions .. ya said ya self that you agree with all said except the result or should I say fight at 140 would be the same...

Im not saying the out come would be any different but seeing a far better effort from Hatton is what some think ..,.. & what some dont think too.... opinions .... no more no less

I also love both fighters & think Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation....a very special commodity indeed..

[leftylee]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

How is it not hard to understand at fight at 140 would be different ?

Of course it would be different. It's a different weight class and it suits Hatton better whearas 147 suited Mayweather better.

Mayweather has not fought at 140 in years, Hatton at 140 is deadly.

It would be a whole different ball game.

[HattonTheHammer]

Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

[bambamdaddio]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

How is it not hard to understand at fight at 140 would be different ?

Of course it would be different. It's a different weight class and it suits Hatton better whearas 147 suited Mayweather better.

Mayweather has not fought at 140 in years, Hatton at 140 is deadly.

It would be a whole different ball game.

Well said bud & I fully support & understand the points your making ... its simple enough to me..

[bambamdaddio]

Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

Mate if your saying a fighter coming down from lite mid to welter (ODLH fight) to fight a lite welter moving up to welter, even tho he has consistently through out his career shown to be a better fighter at lite welter (Hatton) ...& even admitting after the Collazo fight that with Collazo's shots he felt the extra weight difference .... then thats even more obsurd ...

& do you really believe Ricky fought Floyd in the belief he would walk through him & go for the legacy ? ..... personally I dont ....

No ... it was all about money & a shot in the dark re the legacy .... more hoping than believing...& yes he was soundly beaten, & maybe he still would be at 140,

I almost find it insults Hatton by claiming him to be the same fighter at 147 that he is at 140 because he isnt...

He is a shodow of the 140 fighter when fighting 147...

[Dizaster]

Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

Mate if your saying a fighter coming down from lite mid to welter (ODLH fight) to fight a lite welter moving up to welter, even tho he has consistently through out his career shown to be a better fighter at lite welter (Hatton) ...& even admitting after the Collazo fight that with Collazo's shots he felt the extra weight difference .... then thats even more obsurd ...

& do you really believe Ricky fought Floyd in the belief he would walk through him & go for the legacy ? ..... personally I dont ....

No ... it was all about money & a shot in the dark re the legacy .... more hoping than believing...& yes he was soundly beaten, & maybe he still would be at 140,

I almost find it insults Hatton by claiming him to be the same fighter at 147 that he is at 140 because he isnt...

He is a shodow of the 140 fighter when fighting 147...

You know i'm with ya on everything you just said... Whether both fighters meeting up at 140 OR 147 would make any difference to the course of the fight or the outcome, is a question for philosophy... It may well make no difference at all....

But it my mind it is 100% certain that either mentally, or physically, or both, P4P, Ricky brings more into the ring at 140 than at 147.. I can't see it any other way in regards to that one fact..

But no day of the week I would say that Hatton moving up to 147 effected the end result of his fight against Floyd.. Just the percentage of potential he brought into the ring was affected... It's almost boxing fact & legend at the same time.. Every time a fighter changes weight up and down, we talk about it's effects vs the opponent who is doing the same, or fighting at their dominant weight.....