Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[imp]

"The Klitschko's would be difficult to beat in any era".....who said that? 'Iron' Mike Tyson said that, that's who!

Mike Tyson also said he had a broken back.

Mike tyson also said he was innocent

[El Kabong]

"The Klitschko's would be difficult to beat in any era".....who said that? 'Iron' Mike Tyson said that, that's who!

Mike Tyson also said he had a broken back.

Mike tyson also said he was innocent

He still says he is innocent

[Master]

Lewis beat Mercer, get over it, whether it was close or not he won. The crowd were from the US they would say there man won. Lewis would beat Wlad and there is nothing you can say about his victory over Vitali, his stronger bigger brother. No one is saying Lewis was an indestructible monster but he would beat Wlad. If a 50 year old Holyfield is still considering fighting as shot as he is, does that not tell you how crap the heavyweight division is currently?

#1 Lewis vs Mercer is an erroneous fight because by the time Ray fought Wlad, Ray was not what he once was (not that it would have mattered)...and it doesn't matter who brought it up, it's erroneous.

#2 The big issues surrounding Vitali vs Lewis is that it's often overlooked that BOTH fighters stepped into the ring not prepared for who they were facing. Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson and Vitali was to fight Cedric Boswell. No one is to say with 100% certainty how the fight ends when both are 100% prepared or if a flukey cut doesn't happen to stop the fight.

#3 Nobody can say that Lewis would 100% beat Wladimir....at a certain point in time say after the Sanders or Brewster fights MAYBE it's close, but before then or prime v prime that's a much harder fight to call, it's a much tougher fight for Lennox Lewis than you would care to admit because Wlad has since developed tools that would make life tough for Lennox.

#4 Evander Holyfield might be fighting, but he's not ranked, he's not getting a title shot, and once again it's a moot point as Wlad & Vitali can only fight who is available in this era and they can't wave a magic wand to get better opponents.

That's an excellent point that rarely gets mentioned

I think Lewis was more affected than Vitali, Lewis came in I believe at a career heaviest and had to deliver on the promotion so had a lot of distraction. When that happens to Lewis he loses, when he is focused he wins.

[ono]

I just think if Andreas Kotelnik was allowed to fight at 140, weighing 170, with a 5 inch reach advantage, against a division of over weight and out of shape Vivian Harris's, he too would dominate.

[ninjaspy3]

I just think if Andreas Kotelnik was allowed to fight at 140, weighing 170, with a 5 inch reach advantage, against a division of over weight and out of shape Vivian Harris's, he too would dominate.

:-)
Yeah, I know how you feel. Sometimes it comes accross to me that way too.

[El Kabong]

I think Lewis was more affected than Vitali, Lewis came in I believe at a career heaviest and had to deliver on the promotion so had a lot of distraction. When that happens to Lewis he loses, when he is focused he wins.

There's a GIGANTIC leap up in competition to go from Cedric Boswell to Lennox Lewis....that's huge. as for the weight issue, it's the champion's job to train like a champion for every fight.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

At first I thought you were just stupid Philosopher but now you must be taking the piss,

That's 2 insults on 2 different threads now, anyone who has to open there posts with an insult immediately loses any credibility.

Foreman is the hardest punching heavyweight champion of all time.

Only an idiot would buy that statement!

Do you even think about what you write on the forum?

More so than u, clearly!

Prime George Foreman (median weight 217 lbs).

P4p he probably hits harder but saying he is the greatest punching HW ever is silly!

Tyson, Lewis, Tua, Wlad etc Are all clearly more devastating punchers, u are basing foremans power on his brutalisations of frazier, Note he didn't ko frazier either! Joe would be the smallest HW operating today (also note that fraziers chin was cracked by oscar bonavena too!) We never saw the best Joe Frazier against Foreman aswell IMO. After Ali I, Frazier never was the same. Health issues and lack of desire. Would we say Tyson's lack of focus against Douglas doesn't matter? Try to be consistant! Foreman really wasn't well regarded until his surprise upset of Frazier.

Even comparing foreman to Lewis, Tyson, Wlad, Tua's power etc is just silly! U could argue that even the likes of gerry cooney hit harder!

IMO Anybody who argues "What makes you think that Wladimir could withstand a fight with Foreman?" should completely revert that question into "What makes you think that Foreman could withstand a fight against Wladimir Klitschko?", especially since Foreman was wobbled, knocked down or even knocked out by featherfists (Michael Moorer, Jimmy Young!)

I consider George Foreman to be one the best heavyweight of the Golden Age of (what-they-called-then) Heavyweight. Wladimir Klitschko (at his best) would probably KO Foreman due to Foreman's lack of footwork and somewhat mediocre championship performance.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

manny stewards views on Wladimir’s punching power:

“What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like (Mike) Tyson, they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with Chris Byrd, and (Ray) Austin, and Eliseo Castillo—he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with Sam Peter and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out Thompson. With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the twelfth round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe.”

[El Kabong]

OK, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with your assessment of George Foreman. I'm a huge Wladimir Klitschko fan, I think he's as talented as any other heavyweight in the history of the sport.....but to knock Foreman who at age 45 beat Michael Moorer (who was by no means "feather fisted") is ridiculous. George Foreman was just a freak of boxing, his rise to glory is LEGEN-wait for it-DARY....he had only been boxing for 1 year when he won Olympic Gold...1 year. Big George was a monster in the ring and could punch extremely hard. Remember when Big George beat Frazier, Smokin' Joe was the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and had just beat the seemingly invincible Ali....took George all of 2 rounds to dispatch of Frazier.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Frazier prepared for the first Foreman fight by touring with a funk band.

Fraizer II-fought smarter but physically totally shot after Manilla.

"Frazier plans to resume his singing career soon on a European tour with his band"

Why do you think Frazier took so much time off after the Ali fight and came back overweight? Health problems and he was living the good life, he was also already pondering retirement.

Just looking to stir this shit up...

P.S Joe frazier is smaller than Mormeck!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher - Out of interest, why do you post on a DISCUSSION forum when you have no interest in discussing?

Why do u drag ppl's relatives into a boxing debate when losing an argument with phrases like 'I came on your mothers back'?

[El Kabong]

Frazier prepared for the first Foreman fight by touring with a funk band.

Fraizer II-fought smarter but physically totally shot after Manilla.

"Frazier plans to resume his singing career soon on a European tour with his band"

Why do you think Frazier took so much time off after the Ali fight and came back overweight? Health problems and he was living the good life, he was also already pondering retirement.

Just looking to stir this shit up...

P.S Joe frazier is smaller than Mormeck!

So Frazier is "smaller than Mormeck" do you think that means Mormeck would beat Joe in a fight prime vs prime If size was all that mattered Nicolay Valuev would have been dominant for a loooong time, but that wasn't the case was it

George Foreman is a legend and to not see that is beyond crazy, Joe Frazier also a legend, to not see that is crazy. Listen people were smaller in days gone by this has been explained by advances in healthcare, training, and nutrition.

[Master]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

[Spicoli]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

[El Kabong]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Or Foreman's lack of power.....when you can KO over 80% of the fighters you beat and when you're 45 and can KO the heavyweight champion of the world then IMO you've got some pop. Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props