Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!

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I can't understand why you're laying all this blame at MAB's door when it's clear that Nady fucked up big time. If it was a slip then you get between the two fighters dust the guy who slipped down and resume the fight. If it's a knock down then score it. He did neither.
I've seen it happen loads of times just as I've seen loads of fighters touch down, pop back up and get tagged again for their trouble, it happens.

The more ive been thinking about this the more I am inclined this way. Nady was nowhere to be seen for an absolute age. He was completely incompetent in that situation.

A great fight but somewhat marred for me by what happened in that round. For me if that round went as it should there could be no question of doubt at all in my mind about Barrera winning it and convincingly so...

I agree with Miles and Missy . They know what theyre talking about

[BoxingGorilla]

Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.

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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.

What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .

Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?

[SweetPea]

Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?

He didn't lose 4 points. I beg anyone to come up with an explanation of how he lost 4 points.
Even if Nady ruled it a knockdown and gave Barrera a warning instead of a point deduction, it still wouldn't have been a 10-8 round for Barrera.
He didn't deserve a 10-8 round in his favor, because Marquez knocked him all over the ring for the first 2:55 of the round.

[CutMeMick]

Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.

What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .

Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?

WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points

[BoxingGorilla]

Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.

What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .

Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?

Keep fighting until the referee calls break... are you directing that to Marquez or Barrera? Marquez looked like he was playing dog when Barrera corked him upset the head.

[diamonddavestafford]

I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement.

It was a great fight. I was surprised when it wasnt even declared a split decision. I was sure 1 judge would have given it to JMM after a fight like that, but to hear those margins and at the point of not even knowing the winner, I was extremely sickened....

The 7th round was great, but tarnished by judicial incompetence and the judges were well off. We ALL agree that the fight was extremely close. Even those that think JMM edged it think so. Those that think Barrera won think so. So to get 118-109 is a fallacy of the highest order. Absolutely criminal!!

You said it. I mean come on, what kind of crock of shit is that? I watched the fight completely sober and saw what happened. And what I saw was Barrera clearly, CLEARLY win the first 6 rounds 10 to 9. He should have won the seventh too, if it weren't for his post knockdown shenanigans, and even so, scored correctly (Jay Nady) it should have been an even round taking into account the knockdown points minus the foul. Instead it was by Nady's call, a 10-8 round for Marquez. This puts it at 68-64 (although by my counting the knockdown i think it should have been 70-64) for Barrera going into rounds 8 - 12. Even if Marquez had won every single one of those rounds (10 to 9 cuz he damn sure didnt earn any 10-8 rounds after that), the scores would read 114-113 for Marquez (by counting the 7th round knockdown it would have been 115-114 for Barrera). Now to get a 116-111 score, which two of the idiot judges had; that would have had Marquez winning 8 rounds of the fight; which is complete and utter bullshit. At the most, Marquez won six rounds. And 118-109? That judge should just be put to sleep. Boxing needs to take a fucking look at just who they are putting in to judge these fights. Is it some drooling senior citizen with an oxygen tank so old that he can no longer hold his mouth closed? Or is it some golf happy jackass from the country club who knows nothing about boxing but is buddies with the heads of the sanctioning bodies that appoint the judges? That accounts for the two 116-111 scores. I am assuming they had Stevie Wonder scoring the third card. Jesus. What a crock of wet steaming poop.

[CutMeMick]

I watched the fight completely sober and saw what happened. And what I saw was Barrera clearly, CLEARLY win the first 6 rounds 10 to 9. He should have won the seventh too

How you score a shut out for MAB through 6 rds. is beyond me.... Which brings me to your comment....
I had rd.1 for JMM, rd.2 for MAB and rd.3 for JMM....
I haven't been able to re-watch the fight to score it rounnd by round.... but how you gave rounds 1 & 3 to MAB and more shoking rds. 1 thru 6 I just don't get it.....

Are there any other people here who feel MAB shut JMM out through 6 rds?

I am assuming they had Stevie Wonder scoring the third card. Jesus. What a crock of wet steaming poop.

I am assuming you had your back to the TV screen and you scored the fight going by Lampleys commentating....

[SweetPea]

Are there any other people here who feel MAB shut JMM out through 6 rds?

[CutMeMick]

Are there any other people here who feel MAB shut JMM out through 6 rds?

HUGE LEFT BARRERA!!!

(But yet MAB never actually threw that a punch)

[SweetPea]

I've always wondered what would have happened if Barrera and DLH had fought each other. How could Lampley call a fight and be baised in favor of both fighters? Could he figure out a way to make up phantom punches for both guys? I think his head would explode.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

since when did getting beat in a round equal getting knocked down?

How long has Nady been a referee?

He was not on his hands and knees - refer back to the pictures in the thread you like so much.

Play fair if Barrera gets docked a point & no warning then dock Marquez for the low blows - a foul is a foul right?

Saw it happen at the Kings Hall not so long ago, it's not something I note in my diary, I don't just sit and watch boxing on the telly.

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[quote=BoxingGorilla ]

Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.

What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .

Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?

Golden rule? for = MMA -----> Yes
Boxing ----> If a man is down, you generally don't hit him (even if he slips).

Although I agree that the fight was a lot closer than how the judges saw it.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

generally?

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ha ha ha ha let me rephrase that. . You don't hit a man when he is down. . .