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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Rod Rosenstein basically admitted he didn't read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Why would the deep state get a wiretap for somebody they'd planted in the Trump campaign Lyle? Three months after he left the campaign?


    You're not this dumb. You plant someone to get the initial FISA warrant that gives you the foot in the door to target anybody that plant is/was in contact with....I mean really...just think like a Bond villain one time that's pretty much who we're dealing with....A submarine shooting a missile from Whidby Bay...where was it headed? This is quite serious and the amount of indictments coming.....learn about John W. Huber, he's going to be important going forward
    He's not supposed to read it. There are teams of specialised lawyers who craft FISA warrants. He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign. He does not sit reading hundreds of documents every day, he just has to sign them.

    So the deep state planted Page in the campaign, somehow they forced Trump to hire him. While he was working in the campaign, a period of over six months, they didn't bother wiretapping him. Three months after he left the campaign they then applied for a secret warrant to wiretap him even though as a deep state operative he would have presumably worn a wire and/or recorded any conversation the deep state wanted him to record. It doesn't make sense, does it Lyle?

    Huber is somebody that Jeff Sessions has appointed to placate Trump who is demanding a special counsel be appointed to investigate Hillary, Obama, Mueller and god knows what else. For instance he's investigating the Hillary uranium thing and whether Hillary or Obama should face charges. Here's Fox News exaplaining the Hillary uranium thing:

    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1

    So the right wing is hoping that this investigation of the investigation into Trump and assorted conspiracy theories involving Hillary and Obama is going to bear fruit, and apparently Q has you all convinced that he's sitting on 40 000 sealed indictments which are going to be opened any time now with the entire deep state from Hillary and Obama on down carted off to Guantanamo. It's not going to happen Lyle. There are any amount of explainers from reputable news outlets explaining why all this stuff is completely nuts, but you're not going to read any of it are you, you fucking nutcase.

    Never mind. You just wait. Any day now they'll all be arrested and in orange jumpsuits in Guantanamo.

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    For a more prophetic vision of the future, you should read the complaint against Trump, his children and his foundation by New York State Attorney General Barbara Underwood.

    Why prophetic? Because it’s likely a preface to the report or complaint that special counsel Robert Mueller will bring. The alleged crimes described by Underwood are not similar to those being investigated by Mueller. But the behavior is.

    One stumbling block to public understanding of the Mueller probe, in addition to a steady stream of propaganda and lies designed to undermine it, is that it’s hard for even a cynic to accept the premises of what is being investigated.

    U.S. history simply doesn’t offer a lot of reference points for a major-party political candidate who so casually subverts the law and sells out the nation’s highest values. How many Richard Nixons are there?

    To believe the accusations that Trump colluded with Russia, laundered vast amounts of money and/or put American foreign policy on the auction block in return for the enrichment of his family requires an awkward leap of faith. You have to believe this leader is both profoundly corrupt — far more so than Nixon — and staggeringly sloppy — again more so than Nixon.

    This is essentially the portrait that Underwood paints in the detailed accusations against the head of the Trump Foundation: that of a shady huckster who engages in “persistently illegal conduct” and is buffoonishly sloppy along the way.

    To give credit where it’s due, the New York attorney general is building on the case built in 2016 by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, whose search for legitimate charitable activity by Trump’s foundation consistently left the reporter comically empty-handed.

    What Fahrenthold detailed was Trump’s utter disregard for the law in taking in tax-deductible contributions to his foundation and proceeding to spend the money on his personal and business needs.


    New findings, for instance, show that the Trump Foundation’s largest-ever gift — $264,631 — was used to renovate a fountain outside the windows of Trump’s Plaza Hotel.
    Its smallest-ever gift, for $7, was paid to the Boy Scouts in 1989, at a time when it cost $7 to register a new Scout. Trump’s oldest son was 11 at the time. Trump did not respond to a question about whether the money was paid to register him.


    Take a moment to savor that last detail. A man claiming to be worth billions of dollars — and who certainly flaunted the lifestyle — appears to have illegally diverted $7 from a charitable foundation to pay his son’s Boy Scouts registration fee.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-16/new-york-s-trump-lawsuit-may-be-a-map-for-mueller


    The whole thing is worth a read.
    Last edited by Kirkland Laing; 07-03-2018 at 02:44 PM.

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    @Kirkland Laing that previous post where u said it makes some sense is just my honest thoughts. Often I will just throw things in against whatever side u are taking just to do something but we are not far off on the buybacks thing although I don’t know if u got anything out of why I don’t think they are always as bad as you portray. I am curious to ask what are your thoughts on the US economy. Are you of the thoughts that a recession will come about within the next year earnings season as some who are focusing on the buy backs are. Are you looking at any other numbers that stick out at u. Again the tariffs thing could erode consumer confidence which is still strong at the moment. I guess what I’m asking are you hitting on the buybacks as you feel that is the main thing driving earnings and stocks at the time so as companies can’t rely on that in future earnings reports the shit will hit the fan (and I do know analysts who say exactly that and I can see the logic behind it) or are you just hitting on the buybacks looking at it as company greed and if so did any of the articles I provided make you look at it differently or at least consider it differently. I’m honestly curious of ur opinion not looking to argue here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He's not supposed to read it. There are teams of specialised lawyers who craft FISA warrants. He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign. He does not sit reading hundreds of documents every day, he just has to sign them.

    So the deep state planted Page in the campaign, somehow they forced Trump to hire him. While he was working in the campaign, a period of over six months, they didn't bother wiretapping him. Three months after he left the campaign they then applied for a secret warrant to wiretap him even though as a deep state operative he would have presumably worn a wire and/or recorded any conversation the deep state wanted him to record. It doesn't make sense, does it Lyle?

    Huber is somebody that Jeff Sessions has appointed to placate Trump who is demanding a special counsel be appointed to investigate Hillary, Obama, Mueller and god knows what else. For instance he's investigating the Hillary uranium thing and whether Hillary or Obama should face charges. Here's Fox News exaplaining the Hillary uranium thing:

    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1

    So the right wing is hoping that this investigation of the investigation into Trump and assorted conspiracy theories involving Hillary and Obama is going to bear fruit, and apparently Q has you all convinced that he's sitting on 40 000 sealed indictments which are going to be opened any time now with the entire deep state from Hillary and Obama on down carted off to Guantanamo. It's not going to happen Lyle. There are any amount of explainers from reputable news outlets explaining why all this stuff is completely nuts, but you're not going to read any of it are you, you fucking nutcase.

    Never mind. You just wait. Any day now they'll all be arrested and in orange jumpsuits in Guantanamo.
    ok then Kirkland

    FISA warrants especially those involving a Presidential campaign ain't exactly run of the mill warrants, but yeah it's totally like you say "He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign.".....yeah this is ONLY about a Presidential candidate I mean what do you want Rod Rosenstein to do his job?

    Ah yes Media Matters For America...David Brock's baby child....why bother.. @Kirkland Laing, I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that things will end up exactly how you think they will


    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post

    For a more prophetic vision of the future, you should read the complaint against Trump, his children and his foundation by New York State Attorney General Barbara Underwood.

    Why prophetic? Because it’s likely a preface to the report or complaint that special counsel Robert Mueller will bring. The alleged crimes described by Underwood are not similar to those being investigated by Mueller. But the behavior is.

    One stumbling block to public understanding of the Mueller probe, in addition to a steady stream of propaganda and lies designed to undermine it, is that it’s hard for even a cynic to accept the premises of what is being investigated.

    U.S. history simply doesn’t offer a lot of reference points for a major-party political candidate who so casually subverts the law and sells out the nation’s highest values. How many Richard Nixons are there?

    To believe the accusations that Trump colluded with Russia, laundered vast amounts of money and/or put American foreign policy on the auction block in return for the enrichment of his family requires an awkward leap of faith. You have to believe this leader is both profoundly corrupt — far more so than Nixon — and staggeringly sloppy — again more so than Nixon.

    This is essentially the portrait that Underwood paints in the detailed accusations against the head of the Trump Foundation: that of a shady huckster who engages in “persistently illegal conduct” and is buffoonishly sloppy along the way.

    To give credit where it’s due, the New York attorney general is building on the case built in 2016 by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, whose search for legitimate charitable activity by Trump’s foundation consistently left the reporter comically empty-handed.

    What Fahrenthold detailed was Trump’s utter disregard for the law in taking in tax-deductible contributions to his foundation and proceeding to spend the money on his personal and business needs.


    New findings, for instance, show that the Trump Foundation’s largest-ever gift — $264,631 — was used to renovate a fountain outside the windows of Trump’s Plaza Hotel.
    Its smallest-ever gift, for $7, was paid to the Boy Scouts in 1989, at a time when it cost $7 to register a new Scout. Trump’s oldest son was 11 at the time. Trump did not respond to a question about whether the money was paid to register him.


    Take a moment to savor that last detail. A man claiming to be worth billions of dollars — and who certainly flaunted the lifestyle — appears to have illegally diverted $7 from a charitable foundation to pay his son’s Boy Scouts registration fee.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-16/new-york-s-trump-lawsuit-may-be-a-map-for-mueller


    The whole thing is worth a read.
    Uh huh....I'd ask for your view on the Clinton Foundation, but I know you'll have nothing but the highest of praise for it.

    So there MIGHT in ultra deep dark blue New York City be a DA who wants to take Trump to CIVIL court....OMG the horror.....the horror

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He's not supposed to read it. There are teams of specialised lawyers who craft FISA warrants. He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign. He does not sit reading hundreds of documents every day, he just has to sign them.

    So the deep state planted Page in the campaign, somehow they forced Trump to hire him. While he was working in the campaign, a period of over six months, they didn't bother wiretapping him. Three months after he left the campaign they then applied for a secret warrant to wiretap him even though as a deep state operative he would have presumably worn a wire and/or recorded any conversation the deep state wanted him to record. It doesn't make sense, does it Lyle?

    Huber is somebody that Jeff Sessions has appointed to placate Trump who is demanding a special counsel be appointed to investigate Hillary, Obama, Mueller and god knows what else. For instance he's investigating the Hillary uranium thing and whether Hillary or Obama should face charges. Here's Fox News exaplaining the Hillary uranium thing:

    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1

    So the right wing is hoping that this investigation of the investigation into Trump and assorted conspiracy theories involving Hillary and Obama is going to bear fruit, and apparently Q has you all convinced that he's sitting on 40 000 sealed indictments which are going to be opened any time now with the entire deep state from Hillary and Obama on down carted off to Guantanamo. It's not going to happen Lyle. There are any amount of explainers from reputable news outlets explaining why all this stuff is completely nuts, but you're not going to read any of it are you, you fucking nutcase.

    Never mind. You just wait. Any day now they'll all be arrested and in orange jumpsuits in Guantanamo.
    ok then Kirkland

    FISA warrants especially those involving a Presidential campaign ain't exactly run of the mill warrants, but yeah it's totally like you say "He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign.".....yeah this is ONLY about a Presidential candidate I mean what do you want Rod Rosenstein to do his job?

    Ah yes Media Matters For America...David Brock's baby child....why bother.. @Kirkland Laing, I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that things will end up exactly how you think they will


    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post

    For a more prophetic vision of the future, you should read the complaint against Trump, his children and his foundation by New York State Attorney General Barbara Underwood.

    Why prophetic? Because it’s likely a preface to the report or complaint that special counsel Robert Mueller will bring. The alleged crimes described by Underwood are not similar to those being investigated by Mueller. But the behavior is.

    One stumbling block to public understanding of the Mueller probe, in addition to a steady stream of propaganda and lies designed to undermine it, is that it’s hard for even a cynic to accept the premises of what is being investigated.

    U.S. history simply doesn’t offer a lot of reference points for a major-party political candidate who so casually subverts the law and sells out the nation’s highest values. How many Richard Nixons are there?

    To believe the accusations that Trump colluded with Russia, laundered vast amounts of money and/or put American foreign policy on the auction block in return for the enrichment of his family requires an awkward leap of faith. You have to believe this leader is both profoundly corrupt — far more so than Nixon — and staggeringly sloppy — again more so than Nixon.

    This is essentially the portrait that Underwood paints in the detailed accusations against the head of the Trump Foundation: that of a shady huckster who engages in “persistently illegal conduct” and is buffoonishly sloppy along the way.

    To give credit where it’s due, the New York attorney general is building on the case built in 2016 by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, whose search for legitimate charitable activity by Trump’s foundation consistently left the reporter comically empty-handed.

    What Fahrenthold detailed was Trump’s utter disregard for the law in taking in tax-deductible contributions to his foundation and proceeding to spend the money on his personal and business needs.


    New findings, for instance, show that the Trump Foundation’s largest-ever gift — $264,631 — was used to renovate a fountain outside the windows of Trump’s Plaza Hotel.
    Its smallest-ever gift, for $7, was paid to the Boy Scouts in 1989, at a time when it cost $7 to register a new Scout. Trump’s oldest son was 11 at the time. Trump did not respond to a question about whether the money was paid to register him.


    Take a moment to savor that last detail. A man claiming to be worth billions of dollars — and who certainly flaunted the lifestyle — appears to have illegally diverted $7 from a charitable foundation to pay his son’s Boy Scouts registration fee.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-16/new-york-s-trump-lawsuit-may-be-a-map-for-mueller


    The whole thing is worth a read.
    Uh huh....I'd ask for your view on the Clinton Foundation, but I know you'll have nothing but the highest of praise for it.

    So there MIGHT in ultra deep dark blue New York City be a DA who wants to take Trump to CIVIL court....OMG the horror.....the horror
    Obama was able to do a Nixon but with a nice smoke screen and plausible deniability. Almost brilliant but fell short as they not specifying the date any type of surveillance started. It’s hard to put much weight on the whole thing when you see how much congress is taking from Chinese and Russian special interest along with our former sec of state who too lined pockets with yen and ruble. It’s quite disappointing

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    @Kirkland Laing another thing I keep an eye on is gold and silver, they tend to be safe havens people move into when there are economic concern. Don’t know if u watch it but it is really sinking right now. Dropped below 1270 which was the magic number. It could also have to the strength of the dollar and people feel cash is the better option. It did have a bit of a run when people were more concerned with best Korea I think it was close to 1400. I’d still like to know the indicators you keep an eye on if you do. Did I mention Trump is great by the way?

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    Maybe Kirk is sleeping or counting his money in his castle

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    All aboard the Wayback Machine!!!!





    .....in 2015 New York MAGAzine had a positive picture and story of Donald Trump.....WOOOOOOOW ....written by Frank Rich......WOOOOOOW

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    From the FAILING New York Times.....


    Breaking News: Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, in a major reversal on immigration, agreed to tighten asylum policies to prevent her government's collapse



    ....oh my God, she's just like Hitler

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/w...mid=tw-nytimes
    Ms. Merkel, who supports free movement across Europe’s borders, has been opposed to any moves effectively resurrecting border controls until Monday night, when she made the deal to stay in power.



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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    @Kirkland Laing that previous post where u said it makes some sense is just my honest thoughts. Often I will just throw things in against whatever side u are taking just to do something but we are not far off on the buybacks thing although I don’t know if u got anything out of why I don’t think they are always as bad as you portray. I am curious to ask what are your thoughts on the US economy. Are you of the thoughts that a recession will come about within the next year earnings season as some who are focusing on the buy backs are. Are you looking at any other numbers that stick out at u. Again the tariffs thing could erode consumer confidence which is still strong at the moment. I guess what I’m asking are you hitting on the buybacks as you feel that is the main thing driving earnings and stocks at the time so as companies can’t rely on that in future earnings reports the shit will hit the fan (and I do know analysts who say exactly that and I can see the logic behind it) or are you just hitting on the buybacks looking at it as company greed and if so did any of the articles I provided make you look at it differently or at least consider it differently. I’m honestly curious of ur opinion not looking to argue here.
    Two reasons I'm mentioning buybacks is to point out that the tax cut, which was supposed to spur a surge of investment, hasn't spurred a surge of investment. Also that there's nothing for firms to invest in currently because the government's economic policies are ass backwards. Increased demand spurs investment, not increased supply of capital. A less dumb way to spur investment would have been to give the entire tax cut to the lowest earning 50% of the population. Every single cent of it would have been spent creating massive new demand for corporations to supply. And since corporations were already making record profits previous to the tax cut they would have had no problem funding that new investment, would they. Simply giving them more money just rigs the economy even further in the direction of capital and away from labour. Who was it going on and on about a rigged economy a couple of years ago? Who was that guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He's not supposed to read it. There are teams of specialised lawyers who craft FISA warrants. He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign. He does not sit reading hundreds of documents every day, he just has to sign them.

    So the deep state planted Page in the campaign, somehow they forced Trump to hire him. While he was working in the campaign, a period of over six months, they didn't bother wiretapping him. Three months after he left the campaign they then applied for a secret warrant to wiretap him even though as a deep state operative he would have presumably worn a wire and/or recorded any conversation the deep state wanted him to record. It doesn't make sense, does it Lyle?

    Huber is somebody that Jeff Sessions has appointed to placate Trump who is demanding a special counsel be appointed to investigate Hillary, Obama, Mueller and god knows what else. For instance he's investigating the Hillary uranium thing and whether Hillary or Obama should face charges. Here's Fox News exaplaining the Hillary uranium thing:

    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1

    So the right wing is hoping that this investigation of the investigation into Trump and assorted conspiracy theories involving Hillary and Obama is going to bear fruit, and apparently Q has you all convinced that he's sitting on 40 000 sealed indictments which are going to be opened any time now with the entire deep state from Hillary and Obama on down carted off to Guantanamo. It's not going to happen Lyle. There are any amount of explainers from reputable news outlets explaining why all this stuff is completely nuts, but you're not going to read any of it are you, you fucking nutcase.

    Never mind. You just wait. Any day now they'll all be arrested and in orange jumpsuits in Guantanamo.
    ok then Kirkland

    FISA warrants especially those involving a Presidential campaign ain't exactly run of the mill warrants, but yeah it's totally like you say "He gets briefed on them like he gets briefed on hundreds of other warrants or writs or charging documents or whatever else he has to sign.".....yeah this is ONLY about a Presidential candidate I mean what do you want Rod Rosenstein to do his job?

    Ah yes Media Matters For America...David Brock's baby child....why bother.. @Kirkland Laing, I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that things will end up exactly how you think they will


    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post

    For a more prophetic vision of the future, you should read the complaint against Trump, his children and his foundation by New York State Attorney General Barbara Underwood.

    Why prophetic? Because it’s likely a preface to the report or complaint that special counsel Robert Mueller will bring. The alleged crimes described by Underwood are not similar to those being investigated by Mueller. But the behavior is.

    One stumbling block to public understanding of the Mueller probe, in addition to a steady stream of propaganda and lies designed to undermine it, is that it’s hard for even a cynic to accept the premises of what is being investigated.

    U.S. history simply doesn’t offer a lot of reference points for a major-party political candidate who so casually subverts the law and sells out the nation’s highest values. How many Richard Nixons are there?

    To believe the accusations that Trump colluded with Russia, laundered vast amounts of money and/or put American foreign policy on the auction block in return for the enrichment of his family requires an awkward leap of faith. You have to believe this leader is both profoundly corrupt — far more so than Nixon — and staggeringly sloppy — again more so than Nixon.

    This is essentially the portrait that Underwood paints in the detailed accusations against the head of the Trump Foundation: that of a shady huckster who engages in “persistently illegal conduct” and is buffoonishly sloppy along the way.

    To give credit where it’s due, the New York attorney general is building on the case built in 2016 by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, whose search for legitimate charitable activity by Trump’s foundation consistently left the reporter comically empty-handed.

    What Fahrenthold detailed was Trump’s utter disregard for the law in taking in tax-deductible contributions to his foundation and proceeding to spend the money on his personal and business needs.


    New findings, for instance, show that the Trump Foundation’s largest-ever gift — $264,631 — was used to renovate a fountain outside the windows of Trump’s Plaza Hotel.
    Its smallest-ever gift, for $7, was paid to the Boy Scouts in 1989, at a time when it cost $7 to register a new Scout. Trump’s oldest son was 11 at the time. Trump did not respond to a question about whether the money was paid to register him.


    Take a moment to savor that last detail. A man claiming to be worth billions of dollars — and who certainly flaunted the lifestyle — appears to have illegally diverted $7 from a charitable foundation to pay his son’s Boy Scouts registration fee.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-16/new-york-s-trump-lawsuit-may-be-a-map-for-mueller


    The whole thing is worth a read.
    Uh huh....I'd ask for your view on the Clinton Foundation, but I know you'll have nothing but the highest of praise for it.

    So there MIGHT in ultra deep dark blue New York City be a DA who wants to take Trump to CIVIL court....OMG the horror.....the horror
    The FISA warrant was nothing to do with a presidential campaign. The guy the warrant was for had left the Trump campaign three months previously. And there's no standard or guideline or regulation anywhere that sets out a different standard for FISA warrants for people involved in presidential campaigns. Rosenstein's job is not to read hundreds of documents every day just like it isn't his job to write them. And if he was indeed asked that question the other day it's with the questioner already knowing the answer. He knows it's not Rosenstein's job to read the document but it can make Rosenstein look bad at his job or unethical or shady somehow if they make a big deal of it, so they did (not that I've seen the exchange, I'd love to see a transcript of Rosenstein's reply.)


    But they're just clutching at straws. The Trump appointee Rosenstein is being painted as this deep state figure but here they're so desperate to smear him that they're saying that he didn't a read a document they claim to be based on bullshit evidence. So rather than Rosenstein orchestrating the document, which they were originally claiming they're now saying that other unknown people created the bullshit document and that Rosenstein just didn't read it, presumably if he had read it he would have seen it was a deep state setup with no basis in law. None of this makes any sense Lyle as you can see. They're just throwing as much shit as they can at the Mueller investigation and the people involved in it in the hope that a lot of it will stick. And with the huge number of clueless fuckers out there desperate to believe the latest crazy conspiracy shit they've got a gigantic receptive audience.

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    Also, Trump can't be prosecuted in a criminal court because he's president. He can be when he leaves office and lots of people have done time for far less than Trump has done with his charity. Once again, when the Clintons are actually charged with something instead of endless allegations which turn out to be bullshit then I'll agree there's something wrong with the Clinton foundation. After decades of scrutiny there are still no charges or indictments or anything. Trump is just at the start of the various investigations into his business affairs. Let's see where they are in a decade or so. The rest of the family too.


    And you keep making claims that you're right and I don't know what I'm talking about, that any day now the arrests will start. Well put your money where your mouth is. $100. You've got $100 to spare and don't forget you're going to win, aren't you, it's me who is going to have to write the cheque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    The FISA warrant was nothing to do with a presidential campaign. The guy the warrant was for had left the Trump campaign three months previously. And there's no standard or guideline or regulation anywhere that sets out a different standard for FISA warrants for people involved in presidential campaigns. Rosenstein's job is not to read hundreds of documents every day just like it isn't his job to write them. And if he was indeed asked that question the other day it's with the questioner already knowing the answer. He knows it's not Rosenstein's job to read the document but it can make Rosenstein look bad at his job or unethical or shady somehow if they make a big deal of it, so they did (not that I've seen the exchange, I'd love to see a transcript of Rosenstein's reply.)


    But they're just clutching at straws. The Trump appointee Rosenstein is being painted as this deep state figure but here they're so desperate to smear him that they're saying that he didn't a read a document they claim to be based on bullshit evidence. So rather than Rosenstein orchestrating the document, which they were originally claiming they're now saying that other unknown people created the bullshit document and that Rosenstein just didn't read it, presumably if he had read it he would have seen it was a deep state setup with no basis in law. None of this makes any sense Lyle as you can see. They're just throwing as much shit as they can at the Mueller investigation and the people involved in it in the hope that a lot of it will stick. And with the huge number of clueless fuckers out there desperate to believe the latest crazy conspiracy shit they've got a gigantic receptive audience.
    OK, I will take your word for it Kirkland. You are obviously A) In the know and B ) A political neutral so of course you have all the goods and your predictions should be absolutely correct.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Also, Trump can't be prosecuted in a criminal court because he's president. He can be when he leaves office and lots of people have done time for far less than Trump has done with his charity. Once again, when the Clintons are actually charged with something instead of endless allegations which turn out to be bullshit then I'll agree there's something wrong with the Clinton foundation. After decades of scrutiny there are still no charges or indictments or anything. Trump is just at the start of the various investigations into his business affairs. Let's see where they are in a decade or so. The rest of the family too.


    And you keep making claims that you're right and I don't know what I'm talking about, that any day now the arrests will start. Well put your money where your mouth is. $100. You've got $100 to spare and don't forget you're going to win, aren't you, it's me who is going to have to write the cheque.
    OK I get it Trump has 1 allegation against the Trump Foundation and so he's guilty, the Clinton's have suffered many, but 100% of those were politically motivated and false.

    What are the details of this bet? Time frame? What are we waiting to happen? I'm not going to virtually shake your hand over this vague "I'm right you're wrong"....give hard details and perhaps we will have a bet.

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    Top Justice Department Lawyer Resigns, Latest To Step Down
    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/03/62558...ier-departures
    Scott Schools, a top aide to the deputy attorney general, is planning to leave the Justice Department at the end of the week, according to two people familiar with his decision.

    The job title for Schools — associate deputy attorney general — belied his importance as a strategic counselor and repository of institutional memory and ethics at the DOJ. Schools has played a critical, if behind-the-scenes, role in some of the most important and sensitive issues in the building.

    This year, Schools recommended that then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe be fired for a "lack of candor" in an internal investigation.

    Earlier, he advised former acting Attorney General Sally Yates about the boundaries of her congressional testimony in early 2016. And more recently, Schools has been photographed near the offices of Russia special counsel Robert Mueller, as one of a few top DOJ aides to get regular briefings on the status of that investigation.

    "Scott has provided invaluable leadership and counsel in his years at the department, and his service is an example to all," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a written statement. "He will be greatly missed, and I wish him the best in his future endeavors."

    Schools is the latest departure from a Justice Department battered by political attacks over its handling of the 2016 Hillary Clinton email investigation and more recently the Russia investigation. Its previous third-in-command, Rachel Brand, resigned earlier this year.

    Nominees to run the Justice Department's Criminal Division, Civil Rights Division and Environmental and Natural Resources Division have not been confirmed in the Senate.

    As for Schools, Slate magazine called him "the most important unknown person in D.C." And that status has only grown as his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, has found himself on defense among Republicans in Congress over the Mueller investigation.

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    Rachel Brand, Third In Command At The Justice Department, Is Leaving Her Post Feb. 9, 2018
    Schools began his career as a prosecutor in South Carolina, rising to become a U.S. attorney there and in the northern district of California, where he signed off on charges against baseball phenom Barry Bonds.

    For years, Schools worked alongside another Justice Department mainstay, David Margolis, who was known as the "Yoda" of the department. When Margolis died, DOJ brass asked Schools to come back to Washington to try to fill those shoes.

    Schools is said to be leaving for a job in the private sector. One source who worked with Schools said there was no sign he was being pushed out. Another said Schools was not leaving because of a disagreement with DOJ leadership.

    But his departure, as the highest ranking career lawyer at the Justice Department, will add to a brain drain from the department at a time when it is under attack from President Trump and his allies in Congress.

    Schools will be replaced, on an acting basis, by Bradley Weinsheimer, who currently works in the national security unit. Weinsheimer has spent 27 years at DOJ, where he tried homicide and public corruption cases.

    Unlike Schools, Weinsheimer will not supervise or otherwise be involved in overseeing the special counsel team probing Russian election interference and whether any Americans tied to the Trump campaign took part.




    Interesting stuff....I wonder if he quit on his own or not

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...ax-1523007001P

    You do know a lot of Americans pay 0 in federal tax. I’m not going to argue with you about lowering taxes I’m always for that. The article I pasted is from WSJ and has a very nice graph for you. A bigger tax cut for the the plebeians would have been nice. Taxes in the US are a pain in the ass and very stressful. I’d be happy with a flat tax but our current system is progressive when you look at it. Another reason it’s so hard to change the tax code is special interest. Figuring out the tax code can be time consuming and confusing so tax preparation is often farmed out and has become big business. They don’t want a simple tax code and pay good money to congress to keep it burdensome and confusing. Perhaps I’m too pessimistic but I don’t see a lot of change coming unless something is done about special interest lobbying.

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