The 2012 London Olympic Games

[ryanman]

yeah thats why I want an explanation - to me he is coming across as a whinger and blaming other people.

But maybe there's some truth in it if an expert can clarify

No Cavendish is pretty spot on. But also it is just the way the race developed.
I explained it a few pages back on this thread.

[ryanman]

does anyone here understand cycling ?

If so can you please explain to me why Cavendish is blaming the Aussies and other team's tactics for his loss ?

As far as I can make out, the faster you ride the better chance you have of winning. Its about peddling as hard as you can for as long as you can. Cavandish failed to do this and came no-where

You are wrong Matty. So very wrong...

[ryanman]

yeah thats why I want an explanation - to me he is coming across as a whinger and blaming other people.

But maybe there's some truth in it if an expert can clarify

Have a look at pages 3, 4 and 5 of this thread.
Not exactly going into great detail but you should have a bit more of an idea after reading it.

Road cycling is an incredibly nuanced sport and takes a long time to figure out.

[Mark TKO]

I had a look mate and yes I know fuck all about cycling.

But for me I still don't get it. I am presuming one of the guys in the breakaway group went onto win right ?

So he covered the distance quicker than Cavendish ?!?!? So why is Cavendish mopaning about not being able to reel them back in.

If you can't reel them back in then you can't catch them and they have done the course quicker than you ? So what's the beef ?!? If someone goes into the lead and manages to keep the lead then it's everyone else's problem for not catching him ?!?

[Beanz]

Mens synchro Diving now on. Daley and Waterfield looking strong.

[Beanz]

Spoke too soon.

[Fenster]

I didn't understand the cycling race excuses either. But then I did sort of get the tactics whilst following the womens race.

Basically - once a member of your team is in the breakaway group, you are hindering their chance of winning by working for the chasing pack, so in the British, Dutch and Russian girls case, their team members refused to help the chase. It makes sense. And also shows there's a lot more to peddling than "who does it the fastest." Quite fascinating.

[Fenster]

Who thinks the boxing is shitter without the scoring punches on screen?

I've watched about a half-a-dozen boxing matches so far and Richie Woodhall has said "ridiculous" at nearly every verdict.

[Mark TKO]

in which case shouldn't it be a team event and not an individual event then ??

[Fenster]

I thought it was a team event?

All the top nations had four riders, three of those riders job was to get the no.1 man to the sprint finish. So basically the three Brit guys were working for Cavendish.

It's like watching a pacemaker in an athletics/horse race. Sometimes they win because even though they're doing a job they are also running on their own merits.

(that was my take anyway... never watched a cycling race in my life before the weekend )

[Beanz]

Bullshit. Inconsistent judging in the diving. The Chinese were always going to win but there is no way on earth Mexico or the USA had better executed dives than the Brits.

[ryanman]

I had a look mate and yes I know fuck all about cycling.

But for me I still don't get it. I am presuming one of the guys in the breakaway group went onto win right ?

So he covered the distance quicker than Cavendish ?!?!? So why is Cavendish mopaning about not being able to reel them back in.

If you can't reel them back in then you can't catch them and they have done the course quicker than you ? So what's the beef ?!? If someone goes into the lead and manages to keep the lead then it's everyone else's problem for not catching him ?!?

Yeah the guy that won deserved to win - no problem there.
But -

In road racing any particular race can suit different types of rider. Cavendish is a 'sprinter', whereas Wiggins and Froome etc are more all rounders. But they still compete in the same events. Hence Cavendish wins more stages of the Tour de France than anyone else yet finishes around 150th overall. He wins some stages by a few seconds (those that end in a sprint finish) but then loses the mountainous stages by around half hour. The tour winner is the lowest aggregate time - hence Wiggins winning it with less stage wins.
The Olympic road race is the same as one stage of the Tour de France.
Some years it may be quite mountainous - in which case Cavendish wouldn't even be in the team.
Other times (like this year) it is a flat(ish) stage and so expected to end in a sprint finish. (Flat stages are easier for everyone to stay together - So the sprinters, who are powerful athetes with less endurance, can stay with the pack and burst out to win at the end. In hilly/mountainous stages they can't keep up and won't be there at the end).
If a stage ends in a sprint finish Cavendish will be favourite to win everytime. If it does not end in a sprint finish he has ZERO chance of winning.
This was expected to end in a sprint finish. Therefore the whole team would work for Cavendish (basically letting him sit in their slipstream to keep him with the pack til the end). If the course was different the tactics may have been for Wiggins or Froome to attack and try to win. It is a team that compete but individuals that win the medals. If say Wiggins burst off and won that's fine - great - but it would have been unlikely to work. The best chance of gold was for the team to sacriface themselves to set Cavendish up for the sprint.

So, on a flatish stage like the one they had it would normally go like this -
The pack stay together and the teams with good sprinters protect their sprinter to keep him out of trouble and keep him with the pack. Occasionally, one, or two, or however many riders from teams without a sprinter (and therefore do not want the pack to stay together) will breakaway early to try to get the win. The main pack (the Peloton) will then work together to bring them back in (working together just involves taking a turn to ride at the front to set the pace and shield the others from the wind). 9.5 times out of 10 the breakaways will be brought back and everyone finishes together (on flat stages).
On this occasion a large breakaway group went away. Great Britain started to work to bring it back but the other teams refused to do a shift too. Obviously the teams that had a man in the breakaway had no incentive to bring it back and so would not be expected to help. However the other teams that did not have a man in the breakaway should have put work in to bring it back otherwise they had effectively given up - which is what they did.
Now, Britain had a 5 man team. But only 4 that could do the work (Cav couldn't work at the front - that woud defeat the purpose). So GB's 4 men took turns driving the pace on to catch the breakaway but had no help. The breakaway had 20+ riders all working together and thus it was not possible for 4 men to catch them. Key point - You save up to 30% of your energy riding behind one or more other riders. The Germans, who had no man in the breakaway, and a good sprinter of their own also wanted a sprint finish and should have worked, however, they felt they could sit behind GB and GB would bring the breakaway back on thier own and would then leave the Germans fresh to win the sprint at the end. They felt GB could do this because it is exactly what GB did at the world champs last year. But a key difference is at the worlds it is a 10 man team and only 5 at the Olympics. GB is the only team in the world that can control a race on their own, but even they cannot control a 150 man race with just 5 people.
Having said all this it isn't really the other teams fault as such. They fucked it for themselves just as much as they fucked it for Britain. But Cavendish, given the way the race went, had absolutely no chance.
In short, its not that any team is to blame really, but it is also a million miles away from it being GB fucking up. In fact, that they will able to hold the gap to the breakaway group on their own is remarkable.

It was always the danger though -
No team without a good sprinter wants to get to the finish anywhere near Cavendish - hence the breakway.
Once the breakaway went everyone else, due to the strength of GB, was happy to leave all the work to them - an impossible task.

Thats it in a nutshell.
It took me a couple of years of watching the tour to get my head round it properly and still learning now.
@marktko @Fenster

[ryanman]

By the way the above is very basic.
It is more and more interesting the more you learn. There are some things you wouldn't believe!

[Memphis]

Why could they not go with the breakaway? If it was a relatively flat race and Cavendish had the legs to keep up why let them get away in the first place?

[Memphis]

Anyone watching the gymnastics? That would have been awesome to be there tonight.

Felt sorry for that poor fucker from Japan on the horse. Surprised he didnt fall off when the roar went up when we thought we had bronze.