Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?

[Primo Carnera]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

[Beanz]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

The thing is if SRL was the same size as Valuev he would not have the same tools because Valuev's physicality actually in many ways puts him at a disadvantage. Stamina, clumsiness. etc. While of course not all heavyweights are that cumbersome a lot of it in Valuev's case is down to his freakish size. The whole P4p thing is just as daft as pitting fighters from different eras without giving them the same advantages and disadvantages, and ignoring the fact that many would just adapt to the more recent fighters style etc. It's fun but it is purely subjective.

[erics44]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

I never said always

anyway, do you actually think he would?

[Primo Carnera]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

I never said always

anyway, do you actually think he would?

yeah I do. don't you?
one question though. over the last 10 years, most people recognize Floyd as the Best Boxer on the planet. But Obviously Wlad has been the best HW and most people may believe that Wlad would beat Floyd.
Does that mean that after all your endless posts criticizing Wlad, that you in actual fact believe that he is the Best Boxer of the last 10 years ?

[erics44]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

I never said always

anyway, do you actually think he would?

yeah I do. don't you?
one question though. over the last 10 years, most people recognize Floyd as the Best Boxer on the planet. But Obviously Wlad has been the best HW and most people may believe that Wlad would beat Floyd.
Does that mean that after all your endless posts criticizing Wlad, that you in actual fact believe that he is the Best Boxer of the last 10 years ?

nah I doubt srl would beat valuev, id like to think he would but I doubt it

Mayweather is no where near the best boxer on the planet, best lb4lb probably

on paper wlad would have been the best boxer on the planet

but we all know how much he was allowed to cheat, so in a fair fight I couldn't be so sure

[Primo Carnera]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

I never said always

anyway, do you actually think he would?

yeah I do. don't you?
one question though. over the last 10 years, most people recognize Floyd as the Best Boxer on the planet. But Obviously Wlad has been the best HW and most people may believe that Wlad would beat Floyd.
Does that mean that after all your endless posts criticizing Wlad, that you in actual fact believe that he is the Best Boxer of the last 10 years ?

nah I doubt srl would beat valuev, id like to think he would but I doubt it

Mayweather is no where near the best boxer on the planet, best lb4lb probably
but we all know how much he was allowed to cheat, so in a fair fight I couldn't be so sure

So basically, you're saying that anyone below Cruiserweight has virtually no chance of being one of the best Boxers in the World. So all the "smaller" boxers are a load of shit basically.
so , for example, let's use Carl Frampton as an example, or even Lee Selby. Because they couldn't beat bigger guys, the bigger guys are better? so despite being arguably in the top 5 in their division, they're probably only about the 5000th best boxers on the planet ! yeah, nice one.

[erics44]

@Primo Carnera yes, isn't that obvious?

they might be up there lb4lb, comparing them against other fighters of their own size and weight

then there is a lose claim for someone outside the HW to be the best boxer in the world

but in reality they aren't

lb4lb has always been around but only since the HW division went shit and somewhere other than America, and only since Floyd hit 35ish and 0 and kept going on about it, has it come so much to prominence

and people now actually believe the best fighters in the world can be welterweights

[Beanz]

Isn't it interesting that in Both threads about Ward, the incredibly interesting enigmatic chap that he is, Ward gets very quickly forgotten. I wonder how much it will effect his legacy what is seen by many as the paucity of fights and the style that he employs?

Who could he fight to help improve that legacy?

[TitoFan]

It's the most interesting thread at the minute tho innit

But SRL Would still beat Valuev , and that blows your argument out of the water!

I never said always

anyway, do you actually think he would?

yeah I do. don't you?
one question though. over the last 10 years, most people recognize Floyd as the Best Boxer on the planet. But Obviously Wlad has been the best HW and most people may believe that Wlad would beat Floyd.
Does that mean that after all your endless posts criticizing Wlad, that you in actual fact believe that he is the Best Boxer of the last 10 years ?

nah I doubt srl would beat valuev, id like to think he would but I doubt it

Mayweather is no where near the best boxer on the planet, best lb4lb probably
but we all know how much he was allowed to cheat, so in a fair fight I couldn't be so sure

So basically, you're saying that anyone below Cruiserweight has virtually no chance of being one of the best Boxers in the World. So all the "smaller" boxers are a load of shit basically.
so , for example, let's use Carl Frampton as an example, or even Lee Selby. Because they couldn't beat bigger guys, the bigger guys are better? so despite being arguably in the top 5 in their division, they're probably only about the 5000th best boxers on the planet ! yeah, nice one.

"The best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers"

That........ is the original quote.

Glad to see someone else give the brick wall a shot, though.

[erics44]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

[Primo Carnera]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

Mate, you forget one thing, and it has been pointed out. Boxing is a SPORT. That's why they have weights, the same as Horse racing has handicaps and the NFL Have drafts.
It's a way of setting a level playing field.
What you're talking about is a street scrap or circus act.
As a scrapper, may weather would lose to the HW's , but that isn't Sport and doesn't mean he isn't the best BOXER.
He may not the best scrapper or the hardest, I'll give you that.

[erics44]

Mayweather

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a strong case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a strong case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 50+ fighters, probably a lot more

Ward

Best lb4lb fighter in the world - theres a case
Most technically gifted boxer in the world - theres a case
Best boxer in the world - No, he would lose to 30+ fighters, maybe a lot more

Mate, you forget one thing, and it has been pointed out. Boxing is a SPORT. That's why they have weights, the same as Horse racing has handicaps and the NFL Have drafts.
It's a way of setting a level playing field.
What you're talking about is a street scrap or circus act.
As a scrapper, may weather would lose to the HW's , but that isn't Sport and doesn't mean he isn't the best BOXER.
He may not the best scrapper or the hardest, I'll give you that.

it does mean he isn't the best boxer, he would be beaten at boxing by another fighter

the NFL having drafts isn't the same thing, there are still 11 men against 11 men on the pitch and the teams put out their best 11, regardless of there shape and size

you don't get flyweights in the NFL and theres a very good reason for that

I don't know how horseracing works

there are no flyweights in football, Rugby, even cricket and hockey, they are just not physically strong enough to compete

if there was a flyweight football competition and there was a team who was miles better than all of the other flyweight football teams, and the middleweight football competition was a lot closer would the flyweight football team be the best football team in the world?

[Primo Carnera]

I'm sorry mate, but I can't help you. #lostcause

[Fenster]

How come big fellas are such rubbish drivers? All the top drivers are small blokes. Gymnastics? Strength isn't solely about size.

Big boxers have a huge advantage over smaller ones due to the rules and conditions in place. Change the size of ring, gloves etc the big mans advantages are greatly diluted.

Boxing and violence is completely different. I've seen many a little fella beat the shit out of Joshua's and Wlad's.

[erics44]

yep, big fellas are not as good at driving, so only the best do it which are little fellas

if there was a desire for it then maybe they could have a big fellas class? and then we could have a lb4lb driver (even tho the little fellas are actually better)

and @Primo Carnera I just responded to youre post with a valid opinion and a question, and all you responded with was #lostcause, bit gay that isn't it?