Updated P4P Top 10

[hackey]

Since the Hatton Malignaggi fight I have considered udpating my P4P top 10.
I raised the question before the fight as to whether or not Hatton could move back into the top 10. The concensus was that the manner of victory would be key. As such I have modified my top ten:

Pacquiao
Calzaghe
Marquez
Hopkins
Vasquez
Raul Marquez
Williams
Margarito
Cotto
Hatton

I dropped Kessler off the list as his quality of defeated opposition is not good enough to warrant a place above Hatton. Cotto above Hatton because I believe that he would beat Hatton comfortably at 147, at 140 I think Hatton would only just win due to weight drain on Cotto.

Has anybody else modified their list? Also, if Pacquiao gets beaten by De La Hoya, does he fall below Calzaghe?

[ICB]

Why the hell is Paul Williams so high ?

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Joe Calzaghe
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Israel Vasquez
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Rafael Marquez
7 Antonio Margarito
8 Ivan Calderon
9 Chad Dawson
10 Vic Darchinyan

This was my list before the Ricky Hatton fight, im not sure where i would put him.

[hackey]

I placed williams above Margarito purely because he made Margarito look very poor. Yes he was subsequently defeated, but avenged that loss immediately. Unless Cotto or Margarito beat him, he will remain above them. It's all just my opinion, doesn't mean it's right though

[ICB]

I placed williams above Margarito purely because he made Margarito look very poor. Yes he was subsequently defeated, but avenged that loss immediately. Unless Cotto or Margarito beat him, he will remain above them. It's all just my opinion, doesn't mean it's right though

Paul Williams defeated Antonio Margarito when Antonio Margarito was just about inside the top 20 P4P, Paul Williams revenged the Carlos Quintana loss but he shouldn't have lost to him in the first place.

Paul Williams hasn't even made 1 title defense yet, i don't see why he should be above. Chad Dawson, Vic Darchinyan, Ivan Calderon, Ricky Hatton, ETC. And i don't see why he is a more deserving than the fighters above.

[leftylee]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Antonio Margarito
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Vic Darchinyan

My current list.

[HattonTheHammer]

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.JM Marquez
5.Antonio Margarito
6.Ricky Hatton
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Israel Vasquez
9.Chad Dawson
10.Vic Darchinyan

[ICB]

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.JM Marquez
5.Antonio Margarito
6.Ricky Hatton
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Israel Vasquez
9.Chad Dawson
10.Vic Darchinyan

You can tell thats an unbiased list

[HattonTheHammer]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

[leftylee]

Hatton deserves to be above Cotto no doubt.

Cotto got knocked out by the one-dimesnional Tony Margarito. He beat Mosely but big wow. Hatton beat Kosta. Judah is garbage when faced with top fighters, Ricardo Torres just got KO'd in 1 round. Hatton forced Paulie to retire, Cotto never....The list goes on.

[hackey]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!

[ICB]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

[kingfrnk]

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.JM Marquez
5.Antonio Margarito
6.Ricky Hatton
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Israel Vasquez
9.Chad Dawson
10.Vic Darchinyan

poor list

[HattonTheHammer]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!

I take it you never watched the fight!

It was dead level going into those last 2 and cotto just wanted it more

The only way you can compare cotto and hatton at the moment is how they both dealt with malignaggi, ricky won at a canter, cotto had to settle for 115-112 narrow points win.


ICB - The comparisons between what you just made for vasquez i could make the very same for hatton.

Israel has beaten the best in his division, so has hatton. Only with far lesser trouble and more defining.

Hatton only has 1 real blemish on his entire career which has involved fighting world class opposition for a good few years now!!

[Memphis]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

[HattonTheHammer]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!

And cotto softened up paulie for hatton

Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!