Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time heavyweights?

[imp]

Let vitali fight haye.
Haye beats vitali.
And we get the rematch between these two with haye hopefully having a completely different gameplan compared to his last outing at falling on the floor umpteen times for no reason.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Haye doesn't beat vitali!

K2 are done with that salesman hopefully!

Haye means shit to either man and Haye does no better in a Wlad rematch!

PPL are only high on haye because of his 2 brawls with that mental case Chisora!

They think he'l beat him because he did something a one armed VK couldn't! By that logic Cooney beats Holmes because he stopped Norton in 1! Silly talk....

VK has to have seriously aged for Haye to win! Haye is irrelevant to either man really! He's certainly not Wk's best win and in VK's case i would rate Peter, Sanders and Solis as a better win than him! In fact he's not really that more impressive a scalp than Adamek, Gomez or Hide.

He's not top 5 on Wlads resume.

[imp]

Im not bothered about hayes last two wins. Haye has a great chance if vitali is on the way out.

Vitali would make the most money in this fight and he knows it..alot of people would want to see haye getting sparked out. And seeing as though vlad hasnt got the venom to do it, his big brother might possibly still have the power too.

[imp]

What were vlad and vitali best wins by the way..?

[BIG H]

What were vlad and vitali best wins by the way..?

Sam Peter for both

[imp]

What were vlad and vitali best wins by the way..?

Sam Peter for both

Thanks.

[Syntax Error]

I'm not sure where I stand with Wladimir right now.

I have no doubt he would have been difficult oppostion for many of the ATGs in HW history, but he has competed in such a weak era that it is hard to quantify such a belief.

I believe history will be kinder to Wladimir than the present.

[Fenster]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

[BIG H]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

Hide (that version) may well be Vit's best win.

Do you think they have better wins that Peter/Hide?

I've asked the question before... is there anybody on either Klit's record, that the top 40-50 HWs in history would not also have beat! I say 'No' ...Not the brother's fault, but a fact nonetheless

[imp]

Thats why the quality of opponents cancels out the longevity of the reign as champion.

Vlad and vitali would cause any fighter issues in any era but the fact they are outside the top ten should still be respected.

[imp]

Deontay wilder (as green as he is right now!) will cause wlad nightmares.

Wlad hates to fight.

Theres no way Wlad will risk fighting this type of opponent...please Wlad, prove me wrong.

[Fenster]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

Hide (that version) may well be Vit's best win.

Do you think they have better wins that Peter/Hide?

I've asked the question before... is there anybody on either Klit's record, that the top 40-50 HWs in history would not also have beat! I say 'No' ...Not the brother's fault, but a fact nonetheless

I think they should be judged as individuals not a team, but neither have a win that far above Hide/Peter, which lets be honest is shocking.

Byrd
Sanders
Chagaev
Old Botha
Old Mercer
Old Briggs
Old Rahman

(fucks sake, it's depressing)

[Freedom]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 15 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Eliseo Castillo
Paea Wolfgramm
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford
Axel Schulz


Wlad beat 8 previously undefeated fighters:

Mariusz Wach
Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion
Sultan Ibragimov
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 10 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 5th longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 13. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 2006.

[Fenster]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 15 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Eliseo Castillo
Paea Wolfgramm
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford
Axel Schulz


Wlad beat 8 previously undefeated fighters:

Mariusz Wach
Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion
Sultan Ibragimov
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 10 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 5th longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 13. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 2006.

Nice CV.

He certainly looks impressive when viewed in this form.

[Mr140]

Well Bryd could trouble a lot of heavyweights could beat a top 20 i think i don't see many fighters in the 1900-1950s beating the guy for sure. Chagaev and Haye are good wins as well i just dont get why people are so down on Wlad. How do we know the undefeated guys that were smashed by Wlad were not good. I mean wtf is Louis best win Scheming, Wallcott, and LHW Conn i think all them get crused by top 40 Heavyweights and he consider to be pretty high on the list i think Wlad could make top 10 by the time he is done.