Did Mayweather Approach Manny?

[Boom Boom]

Everything seemed to be going well and then suddenly Pac wants more money, then backs out. There are only two reasons that make sense to me. One, Manny just doesnt want to fight him, which I dont think is the case. And two, Mayweather approached him and he figures he will make more fighting Mayweather in the US, even if Floyd makes more than him. He figures Floyd is a bigger draw in the US than Hatton ant that fight will generate more money. I think Pac-Mayweather will be announced shortly.

[DaxxKahn]

No people are confusing things and they are making assumptions...calling Manny greedy etc...

Fact is Manny and his people know what they guys at 147, etc get paid....He also knows that Hatton is a GBP fighter now....He knows what GBP can pay out and what they do pay out to opp......People forget that Pacquiao even though he has fought in smaller divisions with big names...The guys in those divisions regardless of how big the name recieve much smaller pay days then these other guys.....He has jumped up the divisions that these guys have been at for years...he is the smaller man...He is the P4P #1 fighter in the world...He figures why be paid like an opponent and why accept 126lb fighter money from guys at palces like Top Rank, Goosen, whe he should be getting paid.....WW/lww money from the promoter who pays the best in GBP......

Pacquiao is just refusing to be the opponent when it comes to the pay scale....He has the name recognition just as much as any of the other guys.....He wants either equal or more money because he has made the biggest jump....He has equal resume in quality if not better.....

Ask yourself this....

Would you jump up divisions to fight bigger guys for less money while they get paid more?

[Boom Boom]

50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.

[JT Rock]

Yea Daxx, 50-50 isint a slap in the face or chump change by any means.. According to the report Hatton conceded about 2%

In my estimation that is pretty big money, thats like reaching in your pocket and handing me a few hundred thousand dollars..

Manny is being a prick and not even talking to anyone, if thats not diva behavior I dont know what is. He skipped 140 to take a career payday against Delahoya at 147. IMO fighting Hatton for 52% for the Ring Championship at 140 legitimizes Pac's jump in weight and shows it wasnt a freak show at 147 and he is a player at heavier weights.

[DaxxKahn]

50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.

Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....

It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...

Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him

[JT Rock]

Not to mention the bar is set high for him now, if he dosent stay at 147 who is a bigger payday going back down in weight hell who at 147 is going to make him that much money except Mayweather...

Im beginning to think there might be something to a Mayweather / Pac deal starting to warm up.. The only thing that throws off the scent is Grandpa BOB not knowing about it

[Boom Boom]

50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.

Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....

It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...

Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him

Yeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.

[blegit]

50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.

Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....

It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...

Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him

Yeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.

If a Mayweather bout is not in the works then Manny has no excuse. Remember, all of Manny's people are even thinking Manny should take this. They have no idea why he let it crumble and he didn't even return calls when the deadline hour was approaching.

[Diane]

God I hope not.

Let Mayweather stay retired. I don't miss him one bit.

[XaduBoxer]

Here's an excerpt of a blogger's view of a PBF vs. PAC fight:

Biggest fight out there

So how do you make a fight that matters to the mainstream—which is what you have to do in order to sniff a million buys—without any of the superstars who have carried boxing in the pay-per-view era?

You hope that the quality of a fight, and not just the name recognition of a fighter, can sell to the general public. And then you go out and make the best fight possible.

As we enter 2009, that fight is Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao. And it has something going for it that quite a few other million-buy boxing events didn’t: It’s a matchup that requires absolutely no defending.

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao, the biggest seller of 2008, had to be defended against criticism that it was a size mismatch (which was proven untrue).

De La Hoya vs. Mayweather, the biggest seller ever, had to be defended against criticism that it was more business transaction than actual fight and a hyped-up probable bore (which was proven mostly true).

The first Tyson-Holyfield fight had to be defended against criticism that Holyfield was washed up and had no chance (which was proven untrue).

Lennox Lewis vs. Tyson had to be defended against criticism that Tyson was washed-up and had no chance (which was proven mostly true).

Mayweather-Pacquiao simply can not be criticized. Both fighters are in their primes. If we consider the temporarily retired Mayweather an active fighter and rank him pound-for-pound, this fight gives us, in whichever order you prefer, the No. 1 and No. 2 fighters on the planet. Nobody can call the fight a mismatch; rather, it will engender wild, passionate, intelligent and equally divided debate over who will have the edge in the ring.

The true fight fans’ fight, the one that can realistically sell a million PPVs in the U.S., maybe even 1.25-million like Pacquiao-De La Hoya did, is Mayweather vs. Pacquiao for the undisputed pound-for-pound crown.

Can you do those kinds of numbers without De La Hoya? It depends how much of De La Hoya’s glow was absorbed by the last two men to beat him. Just by fighting De La Hoya, by sharing a “24/7” buildup with him, by having their faces on billboards next to his, Mayweather and Pacquiao went from names only fight fans knew to names recognizable to the “SportsCenter” crowd.

And, again, they didn’t merely fight De La Hoya. They both beat De La Hoya. A win over De La Hoya can potentially be the springboard to the “A”-list, and pairing two fighters on the verge of that status may prove to be a winning formula. At the least, it’s the best formula there is in the post-Oscar-Tyson-Holyfield era that we’re entering.

“I absolutely think that Mayweather-Pacquiao is the biggest United States domestic pay-per-view seller in boxing today, without question,” Mayo opined. “Mayweather-Pacquiao is a fight fan’s fight. It’s not a glitterati fight. There’d be great appeal and I think the fight would do well. It’s the best fight that could be made in boxing today.

“But as for whether it’s a big record-breaker, I don’t necessarily see that.”

In other words, even though it’s a more appealing fight all-around than Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya, Pacquiao vs. Mayweather would be hard-pressed, especially in the current economy, to reach the 1.25-million buys that 2008’s top-selling fight garnered. The challenge of selling a non-heavyweight fight to the masses without De La Hoya is a stern one.

Unless the masses deserve more credit than we’re giving them.

This is boxing’s equivalent to Kobe vs. LeBron one-on-one. It tells us who is the very best in the world.

And maybe a fight like that, where every ounce of hype is accompanied by a pound of substance, could be just the kind of event that the mainstream has actually been waiting for.

[rjj tszyu]

Maybe! Mayweather APPARENTLY needs the money now and if Hatton beats him first it would be a huge payday out of the window for Floyd as Hatton wouldn't bring the same money again because Floyds already beat him convincingly once!

[DatsiK]

I would give my left and right nut to see this fight. However much I'd like to see Hatton beat manny down into the ground, I'd love to see Floyd pick him apart little by little.. realisticly pac man has more of a chance of a win against Hatton, and he has a better claim for the bigger pot of the purse.. so it wouldn't make sense to fight floyd as it would be a harder match and less of a money maker (possibly..), and even if it weren't, Floyd would demand the bigger share.

We'll see..

[The Fightfan]

I would give my left and right nut to see this fight. However much I'd like to see Hatton beat manny down into the ground, I'd love to see Floyd pick him apart little by little.. realisticly pac man has more of a chance of a win against Hatton, and he has a better claim for the bigger pot of the purse.. so it wouldn't make sense to fight floyd as it would be a harder match and less of a money maker (possibly..), and even if it weren't, Floyd would demand the bigger share.

We'll see..

I don't know Manny has better chance to beat Hatton then Mayweather. Mayweather has been out for over a year now. Without a doubt there will be ring rust for a guy who simply uses the entire ring to his benefit. Were as Hatton just comes face forward and tries to take your head off.

[DaxxKahn]

50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.

Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....

It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...

Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him

Yeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.

No never said it was Hattons problem...each fighter wants the most they can get....

And again the not taking the 52-48 and ending on a 50/50 makes Pacquiao seem like he and his people are agreeable to work with....The 50/50 is almost guarenteed thats what they wanted from day 1....

In the futture more promoters etc will be willing to haggle becaus ehe seems to be a guy who will bargin

That is why I mentioned Hopkins..he just would insist on one price and that is it...cost him millions

[Fenster]

Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....

It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...

Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him

Yeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.

No never said it was Hattons problem...each fighter wants the most they can get....

And again the not taking the 52-48 and ending on a 50/50 makes Pacquiao seem like he and his people are agreeable to work with....The 50/50 is almost guarenteed thats what they wanted from day 1....

In the futture more promoters etc will be willing to haggle becaus ehe seems to be a guy who will bargin

That is why I mentioned Hopkins..he just would insist on one price and that is it...cost him millions

I don't get what you're saying here daxx? It was Pac that wanted the larger cut.

He refused a 50/50 split. Apparently that's why the fights not happening. His own promoter Bob Arum called the decision "bizarre."