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    Default JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    Ok so im probably wrong but I re-watched the fight last night and I thought I noticed something. All of the talk of JMM being slower and not looking as crisp and his extra weight. I started to think about why that would be. Ive always noticed JMM trying to go punch for punch and speed for speed with Pac but this time it looked like Marquez was waiting more. Then it struck me...did Marquez change his plan to less punches but more that count eg throw less but land heavier ? Sort of like he was sitting down more on his punches and aiming to catch pac with one bigger shot instead of a few. It just all seemed to fit but im probably wrong.
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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    Yes his strategy changed. Went from being genius counter artist, to bulk up and and get super strong, then KTFO Pac with a right hand from the pit of hell. Seems to have worked too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    Yes his strategy changed. Went from being genius counter artist, to bulk up and and get super strong, then KTFO Pac with a right hand from the pit of hell. Seems to have worked too.
    Perhaps so, but it was kamikaze as Marquez lost his face in a couple of rounds. The early rounds Marquez was quiet, but clearly in the 3rd and last he took Manny's soul.

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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    they both have only one strategy, the only difference is one has the skills to execute it.

    both wanted a KO win cause a 12 rd decision wont cut it.

    jmm bulked up and looked for the right hand bomb to land.

    pac regained the same intensity he had 3 yrs back but is still tripping over jmms lead foot.

    if pac didnt tripped, the right hand shouldve landed on his chest not on his face.

    i knew jmm would win this 4th bout but since im a pacfan i felt sad for the way pac lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmc10 View Post
    they both have only one strategy, the only difference is one has the skills to execute it.

    both wanted a KO win cause a 12 rd decision wont cut it.

    jmm bulked up and looked for the right hand bomb to land.

    pac regained the same intensity he had 3 yrs back but is still tripping over jmms lead foot.

    if pac didnt tripped, the right hand shouldve landed on his chest not on his face.

    i knew jmm would win this 4th bout but since im a pacfan i felt sad for the way pac lost.
    This can't be overlooked. I didn't notice it until the next morning when @greynotsoold pointed it out. But I did notice several things that didn't make sense that night when it happened. 1. Pac's left went from in motion to a natural trying to balance leaving him wide open 2. The speed at what his head was moving on vid into the punch. Only the next day seeing the footage did those things make sense.

    Yes, great punch from a stronger than normal Marquez. But only coupled with the trip did it end up so devastating. And that is boxing. Often more then just one factor at play.

    Watch it in this clip. (when it pans out)


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    Well even though it's beyond nerdy to analyse someone tripping before getting ironed out, I agree that trip had a big impact, not only did it alter his body position, but mentally you would briefly switch off from absorbing a punch as you try to regain your footing.
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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    Was a slip/trip








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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    Quote Originally Posted by armyash View Post
    Was a slip/trip







    cheating bastard Marquez did that on purpose!

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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    Quality over quantity this time. It was pretty clear coming in he intended to look for power and the right hand has always been there for him. Manny felt an urgency to get back to attack mode and the two style shifts collided like a freight train. Regardless of looking to counter more or slug more Marquez always has that accuracy to a tee and the blueprint that these guys had on each other over three fights was a tremendous factor. I thought as much as the foot Marquez did well to spin him into that shotgun like right. The placement was superb.

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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    On one of the 24/7 shows Nacho is getting on Marquez's case about throwing the right hand - I'll need to watch it to see what he said exactly but it was along the lines of because you didn't use it before you lost.

    Hindsight eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    On one of the 24/7 shows Nacho is getting on Marquez's case about throwing the right hand - I'll need to watch it to see what he said exactly but it was along the lines of because you didn't use it before you lost.

    Hindsight eh?
    I have a feeling after he reminded him to sit down on it he reminded him to turn to the judges with it as well......

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    Theres a rumour going around that marquez (a natural size 7 in shoe size) wore a size 12 training shoe on his left foot.

    First margarito, now marquez..this has to stop.

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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    The foot thing is being over played. Not only is this common when a southpaw faces an orthodox but it happened numerous times in all three previous fights. Manny does drop his left hand when he jabs and he did it in this case while in the pocket and it was him that closed the distance. The punch was coming regardless of the foot.

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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    The foot thing maybe explains why Manny was sparked unconcious for about three hours instead of just being unconcious like a normal unconcious sparkage job.

    I don't know.

    But I think the trip theory is pretty sound.
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    Default Re: JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

    I also heard he went back to favouring those dodgy socks.
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