Barker vs Geale FOTY

[Beanz]

Just watched the fight.... BOOOORRRRRRIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG!! FOTY my aunt Fanny!

I agree man. The whole time I kept thinking how these two guys would never have fought for a world title in the 90s or even in the earlier 2ks... Two very ordinary guys ..

This fight told me one thing. Golovkin and Quillin would dominate them in a total mismatch.

I put Barker and Geale in the same bracket as Gabe Rosado..

Golovkin absolutely Mullers Quillin.
Martin Murray beats Quillin.
Barker and Macklin v Quillin 60/40 with Kid Chocolate not being the high cocoa variety.

[p4pking]

It's true, why do you think he throws out Hershey's kisses. That fool is milk chocolate wrapped in tin foil. Golovkin is raw cacao, way to nasty to chew on.

I kind of miss Onetime.

[Fenster]

Kid Chocolate died in the 80s.

[Silkeyjoe]

The 6th and 12th rounds were the easiest in that whole fight to score is what makes it weird, only reason I posted all that. I think there was only one other round Geale won hands down, yet somehow he doesn't get the last one and it's still very close. Just crap judging as usual.

I gave 1, 4 or 5 (cant remember exactly) 6 (10* 8, 9 and 12 to Geale to win by 1 point.

3, 10 and 11 were clearly Barkers, 6 and 12 clearly Geales. The rest were pretty close and could have argument for either in most of them

[ykdadamaja]

Just watched the fight.... BOOOORRRRRRIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG!! FOTY my aunt Fanny!

I agree man. The whole time I kept thinking how these two guys would never have fought for a world title in the 90s or even in the earlier 2ks... Two very ordinary guys ..

This fight told me one thing. Golovkin and Quillin would dominate them in a total mismatch.

I put Barker and Geale in the same bracket as Gabe Rosado..

GGG, Quillin and a fading Martinez are the top in the division... no question.

[Gandalf]

It was fun, but nowhere near a FOTY. A lot of the boxing was sloppy. Barkers misses of several feet were odd and Geale simply failed down the stretch. It was a very fun fight, but I don't regard it as a great fight due to the excess clinching and bending down of the head. That makes a fight boring. The KD made it a fascinating fight, but minus that and the fight would have been fun but nothing truly special.

[Rantcatrat]

@FinitoElDinamita and @ykdadamaja - because it sounds like you guys are big supporters of Kid Choc - have you heard who is next opponent will be? I know they offered a paltry sum to Rosado. Have they made any offers to Martin Murray? Let's hope it's a top guy, otherwise they are really letting the prime of his career waste away.

[Master]

It certainly had the round of the year.

[Silkeyjoe]

It certainly had the round of the year.

Which round? Again i dont think any of the rounds were as good as some in the Lebedev-Jones, Figueroa-Aragawa fights. If there wasnt a Brit in this fight nothing would be said about it. The 6th and 12th were very good rounds but definitely not ROTY candidates

[Master]

It certainly had the round of the year.

Which round? Again i dont think any of the rounds were as good as some in the Lebedev-Jones, Figueroa-Aragawa fights. If there wasnt a Brit in this fight nothing would be said about it. The 6th and 12th were very good rounds but definitely not ROTY candidates

You are harsh, Barker coming back from that body shot was similar to Holyfield coming back after being rocked in round 10 with Bowe.

[Silkeyjoe]

It certainly had the round of the year.

Which round? Again i dont think any of the rounds were as good as some in the Lebedev-Jones, Figueroa-Aragawa fights. If there wasnt a Brit in this fight nothing would be said about it. The 6th and 12th were very good rounds but definitely not ROTY candidates

You are harsh, Barker coming back from that body shot was similar to Holyfield coming back after being rocked in round 10 with Bowe.

Yes it was a good round. Barker for up, ate some more shots and then managed to finish the round on top doing some damage himself. My problem as I said early there was no moments where I was like "holy shit" how are they doing this. No massive bombs landed. People can argue all they want about what makes fight of yr and round if yr but at end of the day it's down to both guys landing big punches to the point ur screaming at the ref to stop the fight. Parts of the fight showed good technical ability and parts showed boxers heart and parts were just a slugfest so it was a good fight but it didn't have that bit extra to make it fight of the year (unless your a big fan o Barker and as I said you would get more excited about the ordinary in this fight).

[BIG H]

Yeah that's what I just saw. I don't doubt Barker deserved the nod, but the fact remains that 2 judges giving him the 12th is absurd, and that's the only reason the cards went to him.

If the judges had've given Barker some of the rounds he clearly one, then that would not be relevant. You can't pick one round's judging as being the deciding factor in a fight.

How Barker got up from that shot I have no idea. Divine Intervention is I can think of!

Not sure why you posted this given that I said as much to begin with. I agree Barker clearly deserved the decision, just don't see how he won the 12th and for whatever reason it WAS the deciding factor.

I know what you said dude, but it WAS NOT the deciding factor. Just because it was the 12th and final round doesn't make it the deciding factor, all 12 rounds have to be judged and any 1 round, be it round 1 or round 12 being scored wrong could be deemed the deciding factor.

Lol, yes it was..Because 2 judges somehow had Barker needing that round to win. It shouldn't have been the case, but if that 12th round had been scored for Geale, Barker wouldn't have got the decision. Did you see the scorecards? They were posted in this thread. Don't know how to make that any clearer

Lol, you are the one missing the point. Yes I understand that had those 2 judges, scored the last round for Geale, then Geale would've won, the point you are missing is, that you are calling round 12 'The deciding' Factor' because it was the 12th and final round. My point is that ANY round scored incorrectly in that fight, could be the 'Deciding Factor' Each round is scored as an individual round. Being the last has no more importance than any other. 12 is just a number, in the case of scoring a fight in makes no difference that it was the last round. When scori8ng a fight, you can put round 12 in the middle of you like, it makes no difference, each round is an individual event and if I say that Barker won round 3,4 and 6 (as an example) and the judges gave those rounds to Geale, then one of those rounds is as much a deciding factor as the 12th.

I think we both know what we mean

[p4pking]

NO I WASN'T Clearly the 12th round isn't worth extra points ffs I realize how a fight is scored, just thought that was worth pointing out as an example of bad judging. I had Barker winning it comfortably, but the 12th was one round he clearly lost and yet he needed it. Obviously they had given Geale rounds he didn't deserve prior to this, that's what I meant in the first place. This was the judges fault, not mine man. I swear!!!

[BIG H]

NO I WASN'T Clearly the 12th round isn't worth extra points ffs I realize how a fight is scored, just thought that was worth pointing out as an example of bad judging. I had Barker winning it comfortably, but the 12th was one round he clearly lost and yet he needed it. Obviously they had given Geale rounds he didn't deserve prior to this, that's what I meant in the first place. This was the judges fault, not mine man. I swear!!!

[ykdadamaja]

@FinitoElDinamita and @ykdadamaja - because it sounds like you guys are big supporters of Kid Choc - have you heard who is next opponent will be? I know they offered a paltry sum to Rosado. Have they made any offers to Martin Murray? Let's hope it's a top guy, otherwise they are really letting the prime of his career waste away.

I particularly like Kid Chocolate's toughness. He reminds me a bit of Felix Trinidad, but without all of the savy and skill.

Macklin or Murray can be HUGE fights- because after that the road leads right to Martinez.

Martinez HAS to get in there with either Quillin or GGG. His career wouldn't be complete unless he does. I give Martinez props for going up against the hard punching Chavez, but skills wise you knew it was a mis-match.

The only other fights that Martinez may get a pass on for his career is IF he comes down to a catch and fight Mayweather, or he goes up a few extra pounds- which he re-hydrates to anyways- and fight Froch or Ward.

A Quillin/Chavez Jr. fight would also be a good scrap. But reports have it that Chavez doesn't want to stay at Middleweight- so it has to be a catch weight or nothing at all.