Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[TitoFan]

Well I never heard of McKenzie, but that's probably my fault.

Never heard of the Duke Tito?

I'll give you that. But I know a wise ancient old timer () like you wouldn't entertain Kov banging out JC.

Hey I can sympathize with how you guys feel about Joe. I cherish my own superheroes too.

[ryanman]

Well I never heard of McKenzie, but that's probably my fault.

Never heard of the Duke Tito?

I'll give you that. But I know a wise ancient old timer () like you wouldn't entertain Kov banging out JC.

Hey I can sympathize with how you guys feel about Joe. I cherish my own superheroes too.

Piffle. We don't need to do that. But there is no empirical evidence that Kov could bang out JC. Pure hyperbole.

[ryanman]

Thought you were more sensible than that Tito.

[ryanman]

For you Tito

[TitoFan]

Hey I love Blondie. One of the few blondes I would've done if I could.


Aw shucks R-man.... there's no empirical evidence he wouldn't have gotten blasted out, either. It's all theories and fantasies anyway.

Hell... if we can't pit our heroes against anyone from any era... and defend our guy.... what good are we?

[ryanman]

Hey I love Blondie. One of the few blondes I would've done if I could.


Aw shucks R-man.... there's no empirical evidence he wouldn't have gotten blasted out, either. It's all theories and fantasies anyway.

Hell... if we can't pit our heroes against anyone from any era... and defend our guy.... what good are we?

True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.

[ryanman]

And seriously Javier Culson.

[Gandalf]

Hey I love Blondie. One of the few blondes I would've done if I could.


Aw shucks R-man.... there's no empirical evidence he wouldn't have gotten blasted out, either. It's all theories and fantasies anyway.

Hell... if we can't pit our heroes against anyone from any era... and defend our guy.... what good are we?

True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.

I think Calzaghe was always great, but I think the more refined, less powerful Calzaghe would have outboxed his younger self over 12. The experience and adaptability added to his greatness IMO. Calzaghe was vintage between Lacy and Kessler.

[ryanman]

[ryanman]

Represent! They nearly got a bronze!

[ryanman]

Hey I love Blondie. One of the few blondes I would've done if I could.


Aw shucks R-man.... there's no empirical evidence he wouldn't have gotten blasted out, either. It's all theories and fantasies anyway.

Hell... if we can't pit our heroes against anyone from any era... and defend our guy.... what good are we?

True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.

I think Calzaghe was always great, but I think the more refined, less powerful Calzaghe would have outboxed his younger self over 12. The experience and adaptability added to his greatness IMO. Calzaghe was vintage between Lacy and Kessler.

That's often something I think about Miles. But what if JC had a proper coach? His dad was reading coaching manuals and staying one week ahead of Joe. I often felt that Joe was held back by his Dad's skill/ability/experience. Imagine JC with Roach or Hunter.

[TitoFan]

And seriously Javier Culson.

I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead.

[ryanman]

And seriously Javier Culson.

I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead.

And @Master would bum her,

[TitoFan]

And seriously Javier Culson.

I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead.

And @Master would bum her,

With good reason. She's a fine specimen.

[Fenster]

I thought I made it clear that I said "clear" as I based it on talent/skill/abilty more than records. Clearly I didn't make that clear ().

@Master - Brook weighed 160 like all Golovkin's other middleweight opponents. It's irrelevant though as you've stated Golovkin let him do better than the others.

If you believe it's illogical that fighters moving up in weight can't be tougher than men that already fight at the weight, I suggest you take a look back through the history of boxing. You will get the shock of your life mate.

Seriously, these fighters will blow your mind - start with a Filipino fella named Manny Pacquiao, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, De La Hoya, Ricky Burns, Duke McKenzie.

All the fighters you mentioned, and you could include a few others as well, worked their way up through the weight divisions. Brook had fought exclusively at welter and jumped up to middleweight in one fell swoop to challenge one of the best MW's in history out of the blue. Big difference. Once he gets beaten he goes right back down. Again... big difference. Not taking anything away from the man. But it was a bad experiment gone wrong. Brook couldn't hurt GGG, and they both knew it.

I never said Brook compares to those fighters. I helped Master understand the history of boxing.

Those fighters are an example of why it's NOT illogical for a fighter two weights below to be tougher than contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

I'm here to help.