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    Default Who beats Mike Tyson?

    The Tyson that fought Buster Douglas was very poor. He had no head movement, little combination punches being thrown, loading up with bombs and slow throughout the fight.

    James fought a great fight but it is now well known that Tyson was not as dedicated as he had been previously and his lifestyle was eventually catching up with him.

    So which of his previous 10 championship opponents would have beaten that version of Tyson in Tokyo in 1989?

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    ​The guy who really beat Mike Tyson was Mike Tyson
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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
    ​The guy who really beat Mike Tyson was Mike Tyson
    Tell that to Buster Douglas.
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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    He would have landed against just about all of those like he did Douglas and that would have been enough.

    Of that list I'd have to go Smith
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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Why does everyone forget the fact that in Round 8 Douglas was down for a full 12 seconds.
    Doesn't matter that Tyson was nowhere near fighting fit the fact is he beat Douglas fair and square but because of the refs fuck up the fight continued.
    There was a massive inquest launched but the powers that be never reversed it or ordered an immediate rematch.

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    I'd go with Smith from that list too, he took Tyson the distance and was one tough fucker.

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    No one forgets it, I just think people are bored of it. It's not ten seconds, it's a ten count. The press conference where Tyson's mob, led by Don were counting in unison was priceless, tragic, pathetic. No amount of counting or recounting changes anything, the referee is in charge of the count and Douglas beat it. We had the same nonsense with the Wilder Fury fight with interweb experts proving he was knocked out for reals.
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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Rocky Fielding would obviously have destroyed him

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Why does everyone forget the fact that in Round 8 Douglas was down for a full 12 seconds.
    Doesn't matter that Tyson was nowhere near fighting fit the fact is he beat Douglas fair and square but because of the refs fuck up the fight continued.
    There was a massive inquest launched but the powers that be never reversed it or ordered an immediate rematch.
    Douglas was watching the ref and was waiting to get up at the right time. Same as Tunney was against Dempsey.

    It would have been a travesty if they stole the title from Douglas that day.

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
    What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    This has been done to death, there are side by sides of the count they got and they're identical. The count for both was picked up at the same time and at the same speed. The knock on that of course is that why did one get stopped and one didn't? One was engaged with the referee early in the count and looked ready to continue, the other was groping around for his mouthpiece glassy eyed and unable to get it back in his gob.

    Slow count, maybe. But fair on one and not the other not a chance.
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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    The side by side video means nothing. Douglas was down for a full 12/13 seconds, not on his way down but on his back because the ref fucked up and stsrted the count late. Meaning Tyson shouldn't have even been in the 9th or 10th rounds because he scored a KO victory in the 8th.
    You cant have one ref giving a fighter extra time to recover when most refs don't.
    What next..... a standing 11 count 😁

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Better for Mike that the count hubbub didn't result in ko win. Either way controversy would have followed and if no rematch I think he would have walked into the already set Holyfield fight the same way and get chewed up. Majority of those listed had such a wide gap in how the fights and loss came about that a few yrs wouldn't seem to make up. All fall the same save maybe for Tucker and Smith who both had him shook then sheltered up but made the final bell. Quick Tillis did pretty well and controlled sizable gaps in the action vs a young Tyson too.

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
    What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

    Surely it matters more than anything else? If the ref had started a couple seconds sooner, whose to say Douglas wouldn’t have gotten up faster? The refs count was the only thing he had to go by. If a guys just been dropped hard he might not know the difference between ten seconds and fifty unless he hears it. It’s the exact same premise that came up for Fury against Wilder. This almost never gets beat to death in other instances where a referee buys a guy time either. How many times have we seen bad point deductions, the doctor called ringside to examine a cut right when a guy was taking punishment, way too much time for a gumshield out or loose tape on the gloves, etc?

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    Default Re: Who beats Mike Tyson?

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
    What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

    Surely it matters more than anything else? If the ref had started a couple seconds sooner, whose to say Douglas wouldn’t have gotten up faster? The refs count was the only thing he had to go by. If a guys just been dropped hard he might not know the difference between ten seconds and fifty unless he hears it. It’s the exact same premise that came up for Fury against Wilder. This almost never gets beat to death in other instances where a referee buys a guy time either. How many times have we seen bad point deductions, the doctor called ringside to examine a cut right when a guy was taking punishment, way too much time for a gumshield out or loose tape on the gloves, etc?



    Or Wilder being gifted an extra 30 seconds to recover between rounds for no apparent reason when Ortiz nearly knocked him down.

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